From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#1305: Please disable the audible bell by default, to avoid discouraging newbies in crowded offices and elsewhere Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:48:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226085029 19244 80.91.229.12 (7 Nov 2008 19:10:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonspiro4@gmail.com, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, 1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 07 20:11:31 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KyWjt-0003KO-6d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:11:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43327 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyWil-000244-N6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:10:15 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyWig-00023O-Oj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:10:10 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyWif-00022y-Td for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:10:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37000 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyWif-00022u-Lu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu ([138.23.92.77]:47492) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyWif-00060x-2X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:10:09 -0500 Original-Received: from rzlab.ucr.edu (rzlab.ucr.edu [127.0.0.1]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA7JA6jg015957; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:10:06 -0800 Original-Received: (from debbugs@localhost) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id mA7It4Jn011616; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:55:04 -0800 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:55:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1305 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.122608372510246 (code B ref -1); Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:55:04 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Nov 2008 18:48:45 +0000 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mA7ImgM2010240 for ; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:48:43 -0800 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyWNu-00048f-4Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:48:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyWNp-00046r-Uw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:48:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57228 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyWNp-00046o-OP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:48:37 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca ([206.248.154.182]:62822 helo=ironport2-out.teksavvy.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyWNn-0001fO-0f; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:48:35 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtcEAGwcFElMCqyo/2dsb2JhbACBdsd0g1aBEA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,565,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="29533342" Original-Received: from 76-10-172-168.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.172.168]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 07 Nov 2008 13:48:31 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id BA0A289DE; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:48:31 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:52:03 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-CrossAssassin-Score: 2 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Resent-Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:10:10 -0500 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:22208 Archived-At: >> That sounds like a bug to me. In which circumstances does the >> visible-bell fail to work? > I didn't mean visible-bell fails to work, I meant if we abolish any > visual or audible signs. The OP asked as his 1st choice to disable > the beep, not replace it with visible-bell. Oh, that would be a clear "no", indeed. Of course we'd replace it with the visible-bell (and I suspect that OP also intended it that way). Stefan