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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: tassilo@member.fsf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Functions in kill-emacs-hook aren't run if emacs gets killed	with	SIGTERM
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:34:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv63jp36g4.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uy6wovb9f.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 02 Feb 2009 22:23:24 +0200")

>> > We may also delay it indefinitely if we run Lisp, because that could
>> > infloop, especially if our internal data structures are unstable.
>> What makes you think our data structures might be unstable when we
>> get SIGTERM?
> Because of what you yourself wrote:
>> AFAIK this signal is only received when some external process
>> decides that Emacs should stop
> An external process can decide that Emacs should stop whenever it
> wants to, and Emacs could be in the middle of GC, for example.

But as I said repeatedly in this thread it's irrelevant, because in
order for it to run kill-emacs-hook, this signal should not be handed
from its signal handler but from the usual input handling, just
like SIGUSRn.  So data-structures should be just fine.

>> > If SIGTERM is used to programmatically shut down Emacs, I think it's
>> > rather a conceptual bug in whatever uses SIGTERM for that purpose.
>> Huh?  SIGTERM is *the canonical way* to programmatically shut down an
>> application via a signal.
>> From _outside_ Emacs, yes.  Which isn't the case here.
> Anyway, Dan suggested a better way long ago, so it's IMO pointless to
> continue this argument.

No, it's an alternative solution to "how do I kill the daemon".
I still think that sending the SIGTERM signal should run
kill-emacs-hook, regardless.


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-05  3:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-24 20:32 Functions in kill-emacs-hook aren't run if emacs gets killed with SIGTERM Stefan Monnier
2009-02-02 20:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-02-02 20:52   ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-02 21:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-02-03 10:43       ` Tassilo Horn
2009-02-05  3:34   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-02-03 17:28 grischka
2009-02-05  3:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-02-05 13:31   ` grischka
2009-02-05 19:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-24 20:39 Stefan Monnier
2009-01-23 19:01 grischka
2009-01-23 22:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 14:16   ` grischka
2009-01-24 16:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 17:56       ` grischka
2009-01-24 18:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 19:11           ` grischka
2009-01-24 20:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 20:28               ` grischka
2009-01-21  8:06 Tassilo Horn
2009-01-21 18:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-21 19:49   ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-21 20:35     ` Chong Yidong
2009-01-22  9:03       ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-21 20:36   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-22  4:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-22  9:00       ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-22 18:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23  2:15           ` mail
2009-01-23 12:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-22 10:08       ` Andreas Schwab
2009-01-22 18:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23  1:52         ` Richard M Stallman
2009-01-22 14:41       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-22 18:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-22 21:16           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-01-23 15:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 15:58               ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-23 19:06                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 19:56                   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-01-23 22:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 23:00                       ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-23 23:13                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-01-24  9:04                           ` Tassilo Horn
2009-01-24  9:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24 12:34                               ` Miles Bader
2009-01-24 10:00                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-23 20:33                   ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-01-23 22:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-01-24  4:40               ` Jason Rumney
2009-01-24  6:11                 ` Miles Bader
2009-01-23  1:52         ` Richard M Stallman

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