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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: Michael Bach <phaebz@gmail.com>, 10348@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#10348: 24.0.92; Save and load window states
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 06:00:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv62h4ylbm.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EF59B02.9060608@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:27:30 +0100")

>> No, it would address this particular bug-report, but similar problems
>> may reappear at any time.
> Yes.  Someone could do (set-window-dedicated-p nil (selected-window)).

Yup.

>>> IIUC this is what desktop does.  The problem is rather that we would
>>> have to distinguish between values needed for intra-session purposes and
>>> those that make sense for inter-session purposes too.
>> I'm not sure distinguishing the two is needed (especially for
>> window-state-*).
> So your proposed `window-state-saved-parameters' would never save and
> restore a thing like the "clone-of" parameter?

Not quite "never", but at least not before we manage to serialize its value.

>>> You mean that anyone who misuses that variable (by including, for
>>> example, a parameter that actually stores a window object as value)
>>> would be on her own?
>> I don't see any harm in it.
> Any application setting a window parameter to some non-standard value
> would be held responsible for this.

That's right.  We should probably try to make the code a bit more robust
so that the "invalid read syntax" error gets turned into a warning.

>> Not if we make this variable specify which parameters to include in
>> window-states, rather than only which parameters to write to a file.
>> Or maybe I don't understand the problem you're referring to.
> The window-state-* functions are primarily intended for inter-session
> use.  So if we can save a bad value, the bug will be usually detected
> when it's too late.

I can't see any scenario where such errors could really be detected earlier.

>>>> After all the window-configurations don't save&restore
>>>> window parameters.
>>> Currently they do (unless you modify them destructively).  Otherwise,
>>> side windows and atomic windows won't work.
>> Oh, I see that's another change in Emacs-24.  It's actually problematic
>> because set-window-parameter does operate destructively,
> `set-window-parameter' is harmless.  The problem occurs only if you
> modify a window parameter's value destructively.

I must be missing something: set-window-parameter does "modify a window
parameter's value destructively".

>> so it makes the semantics rather irregular.
> It's precisely the same as for the dedicated status of a window.

Is it?
The irregularity I'm referring to, is that set-window-configuration will
remove parameters that were added since the save, but will not undo the
changes to the parameters that were modified since the save.


        Stefan





  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-25 11:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-21 20:41 bug#10348: 24.0.92; Save and load window states Michael Bach
2011-12-22 17:04 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-22 17:14   ` Drew Adams
2011-12-22 21:57   ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-22 22:57     ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-12-22 23:34       ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-23 10:30         ` martin rudalics
2011-12-23 15:10           ` Drew Adams
2011-12-24 19:04             ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-23 10:30     ` martin rudalics
2011-12-23  1:03   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-12-23 10:31     ` martin rudalics
2011-12-23 11:30       ` Michael Bach
2011-12-23 21:14       ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-24  9:26         ` martin rudalics
2011-12-24 19:08           ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-25 13:57             ` martin rudalics
2011-12-24  0:07       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-12-24  9:27         ` martin rudalics
2011-12-25 11:00           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2011-12-25 13:58             ` martin rudalics
2011-12-25 21:36               ` Juri Linkov
2011-12-26 11:07                 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-26  0:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-12-26 11:07                 ` martin rudalics
2011-12-26 18:25                   ` martin rudalics
2011-12-27 23:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-12-28 15:57                       ` martin rudalics
2011-12-28 23:09                         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-12-29 11:39                           ` martin rudalics
2012-01-16  9:42                       ` martin rudalics
2011-12-28  9:50                     ` martin rudalics
2011-12-24 19:17 ` Juri Linkov
2012-01-16  9:43 ` martin rudalics

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