From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: package and testing rant (was Re: package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:34:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87a943umku.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ppcvm7fj.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87vbmndk46.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wq72ls2h.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87k332lnn3.fsf_-_@ferrier.me.uk> <878ujhtx89.fsf@Rainer.invalid> <8761eki9ym.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415824478 2699 80.91.229.3 (12 Nov 2014 20:34:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Achim Gratz , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nic Ferrier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 12 21:34:32 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XoecW-0006H4-SB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 21:34:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56632 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XoecW-0001oC-CZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:34:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55565) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XoecC-0001o7-9M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:34:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xoec6-00048u-Cw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:34:08 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:50814) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xoec6-00048q-9e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:34:02 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhQNAOatTlRLd+sd/2dsb2JhbABcgw5UWII2hn7EBIdPBAICgRwXAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiEsJy3IBAQEHAQEBAR6RCAeESwWLZIprgkQFmQiBb4I0gWIfL4JLAQEB X-IPAS-Result: AhQNAOatTlRLd+sd/2dsb2JhbABcgw5UWII2hn7EBIdPBAICgRwXAQF8hAMBAQMBViMFCwsOJhIUGA0kiEsJy3IBAQEHAQEBAR6RCAeESwWLZIprgkQFmQiBb4I0gWIfL4JLAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,797,1406606400"; d="scan'208";a="96787924" Original-Received: from 75-119-235-29.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.235.29]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 12 Nov 2014 15:34:01 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7226F43C2; Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:34:01 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <8761eki9ym.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> (Nic Ferrier's message of "Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:51:13 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176842 Archived-At: >>> that package. So the first question to decide would be if elpa.git is a >>> source archive or a package archive. >> I want it to be a source archive. > You're wrong to want that for several reasons: I don't think I can be "wrong" there, tho you may disagree with the importance of some of my wishes: there has to be a source somewhere, and I wish it to be available at a single place (which is a currently single Git repository but could be a tree of repositories, as long as I can "make pull" and get them all, and as long as they're on gnu.org property to remind authors that they shouldn't be pushing stuff there that doesn't have proper copyright). > - you constrain packages to have source that is managed only by the > elpa.git makefile I could live with a secondary archive of "pre-built" thingies so that the build can be done externally. > I don't understand why you don't do the obvious thing that nearly every > packaging system does and accept the need for specifically made > artifacts. I don't know what you mean, Stefan