From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19603: 24.4.51; Improve emacs startup message. Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:12:42 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87bnm0zhrl.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1421334802 8931 80.91.229.3 (15 Jan 2015 15:13:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19603@debbugs.gnu.org To: Thierry Volpiatto Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 15 16:13:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YBm6l-0006lB-2p for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:13:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51215 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YBm6k-0002e7-5C for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:13:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52690) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YBm6c-0002dk-KH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:13:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YBm6Z-0002Yo-10 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:13:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:48975) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YBm6Y-0002Yb-Th for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:13:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YBm6Y-0007oS-Dz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:13:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19603 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19603-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19603.142133476530008 (code B ref 19603); Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:13:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19603) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2015 15:12:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57836 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YBm6G-0007nw-Ik for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:12:44 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:56868) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YBm6F-0007np-7t for 19603@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:12:43 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id t0FFCgsf021495; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:12:42 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 296FF16E8; Thu, 15 Jan 2015 10:12:42 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87bnm0zhrl.fsf@gmail.com> (Thierry Volpiatto's message of "Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:21:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5187=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5187> : inlines <1768> : streams <1373839> : uri <1842493> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:98374 Archived-At: > Now emacs packages are widely used, > it would be great to improve the startup message of emacs with a link > about how to quickly setup package.el to be usable. > I have regularly people complaining "It is not working" because > they install packages through package.el and they don't add in their > init file `package-initialize', Right, we do call package-initialize automatically for them, but we do it "too late" in many cases. Maybe the best option is to emit some message at startup in the following case: - there are packages installed. - the .emacs file is non-empty. - there is no call to package-initialize in the .emacs file. > or they try compiling autoload file etc... No idea how/why they'd do that, hence no idea how to help them understand they shouldn't/needn't do it. This said, it should do no harm, does it? Stefan