From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22975: 25.0.92; CANNOT_DUMP build can't start in tty mode Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:29:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4FF36A52-32D5-4AF3-A36E-621A57519C4F@raeburn.org> <83h9gen6yp.fsf@gnu.org> <83egbin5n9.fsf@gnu.org> <6D1E5FE8-518D-4433-8C11-7AF1C9D932ED@raeburn.org> <83oaaljdbb.fsf@gnu.org> <2AB9AB18-952B-4597-AB89-63D8F68D0434@raeburn.org> <83bn6kiypm.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458066625 32249 80.91.229.3 (15 Mar 2016 18:30:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 18:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22975@debbugs.gnu.org, Ken Raeburn To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 15 19:30:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aftjN-00082s-Vl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 19:30:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50566 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aftjN-0005FR-Cf for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42355) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aftjJ-0005Dy-Vy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:30:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aftjG-0000RH-Qf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:30:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52237) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aftjG-0000Qq-Mk for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:30:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aftjG-0001X7-Cz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:30:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 18:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22975 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22975-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22975.14580665775838 (code B ref 22975); Tue, 15 Mar 2016 18:30:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22975) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Mar 2016 18:29:37 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49364 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aftir-0001W6-HT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:29:37 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:6208) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aftip-0001Vt-5m for 22975@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:29:35 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AfIgA731xV/wr0d0tcgxCEAoVVv05wgk0EAgKBPDwRAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIg3CM8jAQEBAQEBBAEBAQEeizqFBQeELQWqe4hEgUUjgWaCLiKCeAEBAQ X-IPAS-Result: A0AfIgA731xV/wr0d0tcgxCEAoVVv05wgk0EAgKBPDwRAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIwULCzQSFBgNJIg3CM8jAQEBAQEBBAEBAQEeizqFBQeELQWqe4hEgUUjgWaCLiKCeAEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="196293134" Original-Received: from 75-119-244-10.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.244.10]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2016 14:29:29 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6791564059; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 14:29:29 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83bn6kiypm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 11 Mar 2016 21:47:17 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:114952 Archived-At: > OK, I see. So now it's crystal clear that bidi-display-reordering > should be bound to nil until loadup finishes, otherwise we are > playing with fire. Actually, I think this problem goes much further. Maybe we're lucky right now and we don't hit any other such cases, but we just shouldn't try to do any "terminal" output until loadup is loaded. IOW, we should work hard to minimize the difference between what happens in the CANNOT_DUMP case and in the normal case. More specifically I think that the "temacs -nw" case should start with a dummy terminal and only switch to the termcap terminal after loadup is loaded. Stefan