From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggestion: Add discussion of input focus handling to select-window; add select-frame-window Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:42:43 -0500 Message-ID: References: <5A30E9AF.2060105@gmx.at> <5A317FAA.3090209@gmx.at> <83d13iv095.fsf@gnu.org> <83bmj2ugok.fsf@gnu.org> <83r2rxt6jx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1513302204 1250 195.159.176.226 (15 Dec 2017 01:43:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 01:43:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: martin rudalics , Eli Zaretskii , rswgnu@gmail.com, emacs-devel To: Robert Weiner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 15 02:43:20 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ePf1z-0008S9-TH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 02:43:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43737 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ePf26-00059t-Kl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:43:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46183) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ePf1W-00059c-Ql for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:42:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ePf1W-0002Xy-1r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:42:50 -0500 Original-Received: from pmta31.teksavvy.com ([76.10.157.38]:22781) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ePf1R-0002Ss-Gg; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:42:45 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2FlBgBYKDNa/zyu+M5dHQEBBQELAYM+g?= =?us-ascii?q?VqDXotgjhMBgXw0AZh2hT8EAgKEdkQUAQEBAQEBAQEBA2gohSUBBAFWIwULCw4?= =?us-ascii?q?mEhQYDSSKNQireYpiAQEBBwImg2WIeIsVBZMpj3yhLYdpll2BSzYjgU4yGggwg?= =?us-ascii?q?mSDB4FsI4sKAQEB?= X-IPAS-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A2FlBgBYKDNa/zyu+M5dHQEBBQELAYM+gVqDXotgjhMBgXw?= =?us-ascii?q?0AZh2hT8EAgKEdkQUAQEBAQEBAQEBA2gohSUBBAFWIwULCw4mEhQYDSSKNQire?= =?us-ascii?q?YpiAQEBBwImg2WIeIsVBZMpj3yhLYdpll2BSzYjgU4yGggwgmSDB4FsI4sKAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?B?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.45,402,1508817600"; d="scan'208";a="13886025" Original-Received: from 206-248-174-60.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.174.60]) by smtp.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2017 20:42:43 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 40F1360782; Thu, 14 Dec 2017 20:42:43 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Robert Weiner's message of "Thu, 14 Dec 2017 18:43:23 -0500") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 76.10.157.38 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221079 Archived-At: > Does anyone else see a need for something like this or am I the only one > that finds there are too many gotchas > and complexities in dealing with combinations of these issues right now? I think we're generally better off embracing the idea that it's not Emacs's job to decide how to handle focus and window stacking. Because the problems with focus and such don't all have to do with technicalities of how the APIs work, but also with interaction about the specific focus policy that the user may have chosen in his window-manager (as well as with the frame/window management policies he has setup in his display-buffer-alist). Stefan