From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Regarding outline headings in emacs-lisp libraries Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 23:22:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <875zalolt7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pn8fo3dg.fsf@bernoul.li> <837duiex1f.fsf@gnu.org> <87ime2t6h0.fsf@bernoul.li> <83sgd5aus1.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="992"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Jonas Bernoulli , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 03 05:22:40 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k2R3g-0000C5-1D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Aug 2020 05:22:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44248 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2R3f-00025F-4S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2020 23:22:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47014) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2R3A-0001dT-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2020 23:22:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:59846) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k2R38-0003y9-7p; Sun, 02 Aug 2020 23:22:07 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CAAF6440BE6; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 23:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4DDAA440BE1; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 23:22:02 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1596424922; bh=PIiq1BViRn2BJA/toTN4RZ0DI+Ak2d+I36LAicVRjOY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Fbc5QsDaQ8a9Xh9hQSrThOC6ky1jBER6Kl9ZYc6H6rmKmslp94pPWERwqm1qdfczp FyJ/CoaFNs1rGoNVjHqgdhYyRPXJgaN05Di3zkYmKtO9cUTNaFxdgVk2iyRzu9lxS/ l2Kw5RJFB+46H76itS1iDuVcFWDOWllDEdaHQmb5gxOsvHjomoP1Xy9BBRESTW2DvB w8DpUZaSbmqH28fXnaNvv6Z2e8qremzmYkYITaZ1pSrr9JAxtDjJAoI9HHlJtiNzLZ pD4sc6q3Ky3cOPW1O3CA7pq/LaX6LsV1HRDjXmYxYBTQd+5l5Pf3YplPP+7HwRUh2G JumLEFXPRrVCQ== Original-Received: from milanesa (unknown [45.72.246.108]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 176F11203CF; Sun, 2 Aug 2020 23:22:02 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <83sgd5aus1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 02 Aug 2020 19:15:42 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/08/02 23:22:04 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253409 Archived-At: >> Stefan seems to dislike the idea of doing away with the "Code:" name >> more strongly than I do. > And I still don't understand why. I have the strong suspicion that renaming all those `;;; Code:` in all those files *will* lead to regressions, since that convention's been with us for so many years and followed by such a wide percentage of all distributed Elisp files, that I expect it's used by several scripts we don't know about. And of course, we won't be able to rename them all, since too many of them aren't under our control anyway. So ";;; Core:" will be with us for the next 10 years whether we like it or not. Now, if the benefit were significant, I wouldn't mind, but AFAICT, the benefit of renaming is very small (at least, given the alternative names I've seen proposed so far which all seemed rather bland). Stefan