From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Delegating user-reserved key binding space definition to users Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 10:16:28 -0500 Message-ID: References: <57b69c22e167d429d21bb969feb22887@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35827"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Emacs developers To: Psionic K Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 25 16:16:51 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oyaRf-00096a-51 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 16:16:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyaRO-0004yC-MK; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 10:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyaRN-0004xE-O1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 10:16:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyaRL-0003Rv-R1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 10:16:33 -0500 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4EEB81000F8; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 10:16:30 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id CFA831000D1; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 10:16:28 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1669389388; bh=fb7A4SN2TxUVu2eGwHEFJ8sHkNsP5RewhNjsK7tzZBk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=pOO2c6TY7afycMDLAl7/bWYRGSqVGIEVHWDRsvVTpHx3d9QMBg0TLLwdAi7koUp/U T4GID8agjtiVnMb4LGBnus3UzvyUSTMECu21FJqWti1t1mTKg6UUG6nrAdHFore33/ fhkGz2MyvuXC82LnaCI1hUSuWOsF+rhitUSOVa5zvkZsLlVpV/wz4UofAdcaySj9zi wliDSh3w870OUKze2Ya1IJmHHot++PEJCWNz0U/y+4MUrkDRGobwjuG2y1d9oK7eAz hB/BCXNDAoG4vfD1QhYY9mcRp7qsKsiVfSKGq7eJRPobHm8T75PeAHjhTrXAypEBEG hWfoR4wtAXjfQ== Original-Received: from alfajor (unknown [45.44.229.252]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B0F56121E1F; Fri, 25 Nov 2022 10:16:28 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Psionic K.'s message of "Thu, 24 Nov 2022 20:48:04 -0600") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:300489 Archived-At: > The problem I'm working to reach is allowing packages to correctly shadow > the user's bindings (and not incorrectly shadow) instead of ad-hoc > imitation of the global map defaults. Ad-hoc imitation makes it very > tedious to, for instance, change the key sequence for expressing "next" > without losing coherence among all packages with a corresponding "next" > concept. I don't think anyone doubts that it's desirable. The question is how to get that. Stefan