* Generating an unique symbol in elisp
@ 2010-12-03 21:19 Alin Soare
2010-12-03 21:30 ` Edward O'Connor
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From: Alin Soare @ 2010-12-03 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Emacs Dev
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A very useful function for generating private environments is the
(gensym&optional x) in common lisp. It can replace in some places the
closures.
In Clisp it is defined in C something like this:
char*
gensym (char *x)
{
static int x;
char a[100];
snprintf(a, 100, "%s%d", x? x:"G", x++);
return strdup (a);
}
Does this function already exist in elisp ? I looked in the manual and did
not find it...
Alin
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* Re: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 21:19 Generating an unique symbol in elisp Alin Soare
@ 2010-12-03 21:30 ` Edward O'Connor
2010-12-03 21:33 ` Alin Soare
2010-12-03 21:41 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-12-03 22:34 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Edward O'Connor @ 2010-12-03 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Alin Soare; +Cc: Emacs Dev
> Does this function already exist in elisp ? I looked in the manual and did
> not find it...
`make-symbol' creates uninterned symbols.
Ted
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* Re: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 21:30 ` Edward O'Connor
@ 2010-12-03 21:33 ` Alin Soare
2010-12-03 22:03 ` Edward O'Connor
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From: Alin Soare @ 2010-12-03 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Edward O'Connor; +Cc: Emacs Dev
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> Does this function already exist in elisp ? I looked in the manual and did
> > not find it...
>
> `make-symbol' creates uninterned symbols.
>
The name is the problem. Does it generate an uninexistent name, or have I
write a function to generate the uninexistent name ?
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* Re: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 21:19 Generating an unique symbol in elisp Alin Soare
2010-12-03 21:30 ` Edward O'Connor
@ 2010-12-03 21:41 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-12-03 21:44 ` Alin Soare
2010-12-03 22:34 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2010-12-03 21:41 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Alin Soare; +Cc: Emacs Dev
Alin Soare <as1789@gmail.com> writes:
> Does this function already exist in elisp ? I looked in the manual and did
> not find it...
gensym is a compiled Lisp function in `cl-macs.el'.
(gensym &optional PREFIX)
Generate a new uninterned symbol.
The name is made by appending a number to PREFIX, default "G".
Andreas.
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* Re: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 21:41 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2010-12-03 21:44 ` Alin Soare
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From: Alin Soare @ 2010-12-03 21:44 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Andreas Schwab; +Cc: Emacs Dev
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> > Does this function already exist in elisp ? I looked in the manual and
> did
> > not find it...
>
> gensym is a compiled Lisp function in `cl-macs.el'.
>
> (gensym &optional PREFIX)
>
> Generate a new uninterned symbol.
> The name is made by appending a number to PREFIX, default "G".
>
>
LOL. Tabs defined as windows configurations must work without (require 'cl)
.
Alin.
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* Re: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 21:33 ` Alin Soare
@ 2010-12-03 22:03 ` Edward O'Connor
2010-12-03 22:12 ` Alin Soare
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From: Edward O'Connor @ 2010-12-03 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Alin Soare; +Cc: Emacs Dev
> The name is the problem. Does it generate an uninexistent name, or have I
> write a function to generate the uninexistent name ?
The name isn't the problem. You can (make-symbol "foo") a bunch of
times, and you'll have a bunch of different symbols. That's what it
means for them to be uninterned.
Ted
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* Re: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 22:03 ` Edward O'Connor
@ 2010-12-03 22:12 ` Alin Soare
2010-12-03 22:23 ` Drew Adams
2010-12-03 22:46 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Alin Soare @ 2010-12-03 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Edward O'Connor; +Cc: Emacs Dev
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2010/12/4 Edward O'Connor <hober0@gmail.com>
> > The name is the problem. Does it generate an uninexistent name, or have I
> > write a function to generate the uninexistent name ?
>
> The name isn't the problem. You can (make-symbol "foo") a bunch of
> times, and you'll have a bunch of different symbols. That's what it
> means for them to be uninterned.
>
Good.
Can you bind a value in variable field/ evaluate a symbol as a variable if
it is not interned ?
Otherwise, can you create an obarray (different of main obarr) and intern
within it only a few symbols (in this case the matter ), and evaluate within
that environment ?
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* RE: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 22:12 ` Alin Soare
@ 2010-12-03 22:23 ` Drew Adams
2010-12-03 22:38 ` Alin Soare
2010-12-03 22:46 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Drew Adams @ 2010-12-03 22:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 'Alin Soare', 'Edward O'Connor'; +Cc: 'Emacs Dev'
> can you create an obarray (different of main obarr) and intern
> within it only a few symbols (in this case the matter ), and
> evaluate within that environment ?
Yes. That's the idea behind having separate obarrays.
There are no doubt examples of this in the Lisp sources.
If not, here is one: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/synonyms.el.
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* Re: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 21:19 Generating an unique symbol in elisp Alin Soare
2010-12-03 21:30 ` Edward O'Connor
2010-12-03 21:41 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2010-12-03 22:34 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-12-03 22:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Alin Soare; +Cc: Emacs Dev
> A very useful function for generating private environments is the
> (gensym&optional x) in common lisp. It can replace in some places the
> closures.
> Does this function already exist in elisp ? I looked in the manual and did
> not find it...
It's called make-symbol.
Stefan
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* Re: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 22:23 ` Drew Adams
@ 2010-12-03 22:38 ` Alin Soare
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From: Alin Soare @ 2010-12-03 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: Edward O'Connor, Emacs Dev
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2010/12/4 Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> > can you create an obarray (different of main obarr) and intern
> > within it only a few symbols (in this case the matter ), and
> > evaluate within that environment ?
>
> Yes. That's the idea behind having separate obarrays.
>
> There are no doubt examples of this in the Lisp sources.
> If not, here is one: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/synonyms.el.
>
>
>
>
Thanks.
Tomorrow I send the minimal completions I need for tabs within C code, and
the lisp scripts that define tabs as window-configuration.
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* Re: Generating an unique symbol in elisp
2010-12-03 22:12 ` Alin Soare
2010-12-03 22:23 ` Drew Adams
@ 2010-12-03 22:46 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2010-12-03 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Alin Soare; +Cc: Edward O'Connor, Emacs Dev
> Can you bind a value in variable field/ evaluate a symbol as a variable if
> it is not interned ?
Yes. The fact that it's interned or not only affects the Lisp reader,
not the interpreter.
> Otherwise, can you create an obarray (different of main obarr) and intern
> within it only a few symbols (in this case the matter ),
Yes.
> and evaluate within that environment ?
Elisp does not have such a notion, no.
Stefan
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