From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21464: 25.0.50; [cc-langs] void-function cadar Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:16:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87a8ssac7v.fsf@udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1442020648 31797 80.91.229.3 (12 Sep 2015 01:17:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 21464@debbugs.gnu.org To: Mark Oteiza Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 03:17:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaZRI-0003Sr-5Q for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2015 03:17:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59127 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaZRH-000508-Kw for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:17:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40099) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaZRD-0004zq-Kj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:17:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaZRC-0000P8-8k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37078) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaZR8-0000NO-Fx; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaZR7-0001dB-TN; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, bug-cc-mode@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21464 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs,cc-mode X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21464-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21464.14420206116249 (code B ref 21464); Sat, 12 Sep 2015 01:17:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21464) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2015 01:16:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57521 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaZQw-0001cj-RB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:16:51 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:15320) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZaZQu-0001cb-95 for 21464@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:16:48 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0A1EwA731xV/zi6xEVcDoMChAJOhQe7NwmEfoJNBAICgTw5FAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQQjMyMQCw4MAhgOAgIUGA0kiD+rDKQXAQEBAQYBAQEBHoEhihmEUjMHgmiBRQEEsz+BRSOCChyBFFoigngBAQE X-IPAS-Result: A0A1EwA731xV/zi6xEVcDoMChAJOhQe7NwmEfoJNBAICgTw5FAEBAQEBAQGBCkEFg10BAQQjMyMQCw4MAhgOAgIUGA0kiD+rDKQXAQEBAQYBAQEBHoEhihmEUjMHgmiBRQEEsz+BRSOCChyBFFoigngBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="164608775" Original-Received: from 69-196-186-56.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO fmsmemgm.homelinux.net) ([69.196.186.56]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 11 Sep 2015 21:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: by fmsmemgm.homelinux.net (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 806F9AE12C; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 21:16:47 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87a8ssac7v.fsf@udel.edu> (Mark Oteiza's message of "Fri, 11 Sep 2015 17:16:20 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:106439 Archived-At: > "Eval error in the =E2=80=98c-lang-defvar=E2=80=99 or =E2=80=98c-lang-set= ver=E2=80=99 for =E2=80=98comment-start=E2=80=99 (source eval): (void-funct= ion cadar)" Using cl-lib instead of cl would solve such issues easily since we could use cl-cadar and (require 'cl-lib) at run-time instead of only requiring cl at compile-time. I know we've discussed it already, but I urge you (Alan) to take another look at the idea of unconditionally using cl-lib (and just bundling it with cc-mode). I'd be happy to help you do that. Then you'll be free to use CL functions (via the cl-* namespace) anywhere without having to worry about whether it's used at runtime or compile time. This is bound to happen sooner or later since cl.el is slated to move from lisp/emacs-lisp to lisp/obsolete and then to GNU ELPA. But even if cl.el were to stay in lisp/emacs-lisp, I think CC-mode maintenance would benefit from it. Stefan