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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.]
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 11:06:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4mbzx4hf.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87twjzewc0.fsf@gmail.com

> I have elaborated on all these in my other long reply. I would just
> conclude here that because both calculate-indent-function and
> prog-indentation-context try to solve same problem, they are bound to
> have overlapping parts. It's just that calculate-indent-function is
> more general, easier to understand for prog authors and it solves
> three problems at once - replacement of indent-line-function, removing
> extra prog-indentation-context/prog-widen and not exposing
> multi-mode complexities.

STRING-BEFORE/STRING-AFTER/PREVIOUS-CHUNKS look like the main complexity
(from smie.el's point of view, they all seem pretty painful to support).

> Note also that the intention of the `hard-widen-limit` is to make it
> work seamlessly for all existing code that use widen.  While
> prog-indentation-context requires to teach every mode out there to use
> prog-widen instead of widen. This doesn't sound right at all.

The reason is that your suggestion risks breaking code since it changes
the behavior of `widen'.

Maybe the breakage would be extremely limited or even not exist at all,
in which case the tradeoff is probably worth it.  My gut feeling is that
it's too risky, but that's just my gut feeling.

Note also that most modes don't bother using widen, and search&replace
is pretty easy to do.  But if my fear is unfounded, then indeed it's
better to just change `widen' directly.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-21 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-11 15:15 bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-11 20:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-11 21:24   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-11 21:35     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-11 22:15       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-11 22:38         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-13 17:37           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-13 18:57             ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-14  0:47               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-14  1:04                 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-03 22:55                   ` John Wiegley
2016-03-14  1:49               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-14 15:16           ` Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.] Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-14 17:34             ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-14 20:06             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 22:51               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-20  2:19                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-20 12:15                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-20 15:58                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21  1:05                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21  3:11                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21  5:05                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21  7:13                             ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-21 12:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:13                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:43                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 16:42                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 18:31                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 19:16                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 20:47                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 20:33                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-21 20:49                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 21:03                                       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-21 21:12                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:45                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 22:55                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-22 14:51                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 18:17                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23  1:18                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-23 13:18                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 18:26                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23  2:07                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 10:56                                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 11:41                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 12:39                                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 13:23                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 15:28                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-23 21:51                                                     ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-24  7:30                                               ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-21 11:56                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21  5:08                         ` [Patch] hard-widen-limits [was Re: Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.]] Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 12:39                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 12:54                             ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:07                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:14                                 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:04                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:33                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 17:16                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 18:36                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 19:18                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22  3:17                                         ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22  9:57                                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 10:05                                             ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 11:57                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 16:28                                                 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 16:44                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 19:36                                                     ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23  2:22                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 11:41                                                         ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 12:34                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 12:41                                                             ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-29 21:43                                                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-22 14:34                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24  7:22                                                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24  7:28                                                                     ` Achim Gratz
2016-04-24 11:33                                                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 13:20                                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 16:11                                                                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 16:19                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 16:41                                                                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 16:48                                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 18:01                                                                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 19:05                                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-28 13:29                                                 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-30 14:06                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 20:08                                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-22 22:45                                                 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 11:47                         ` Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.] Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 12:40                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 13:07                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 14:20                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:29                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 14:42                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:52                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 21:30                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 23:34                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-03-21 14:02                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:31                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 15:06                                 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2016-03-21 17:15                                   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-13 17:32     ` bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result Stefan Monnier
2016-03-13 18:52 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-13 18:56   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-18  0:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 12:27   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-19 18:47     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27  0:51       ` John Wiegley
2016-03-27  1:14         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 22:58           ` John Wiegley
2016-04-03 23:15             ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-02 13:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-02 17:40                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-02 17:53                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-09-03 20:44                   ` John Wiegley
2017-09-04 23:34                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-05  6:57                     ` Andreas Röhler
2017-09-05 12:28                     ` John Wiegley
2017-09-07 20:45                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-08 16:04                         ` Andreas Röhler
2017-09-10 18:26                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-09  9:44                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-09 10:20                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-09 12:18                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-10 11:42                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-10 11:36                           ` bug#22983: [ Patch ] " Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-10 22:53                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-10 23:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-11 11:10                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-12  0:11                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-12 22:12                                     ` Richard Stallman
2017-09-11 19:42                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-11 20:20                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-09-11  0:11                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-11 20:12                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-12  0:24                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-17 10:29                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-17 23:43                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-18 19:08                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-19  0:02                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-19 20:47                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-22 14:09                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-09-24 11:26                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-25 23:53                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-10-01 16:36                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-10-04 20:07                                                 ` Johan Bockgård
2017-09-17 11:12                             ` Philipp Stephani
2017-09-19 20:50                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-07 17:56                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-09-07 20:36                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 23:16     ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-19 23:00   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-19 23:20     ` Dmitry Gutov
     [not found] ` <mailman.7307.1457709188.843.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-10-01 16:31   ` Alan Mackenzie

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