Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.

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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
       [not found] ` <20180227175515.354F8208E4@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
@ 2018-02-27 20:14   ` Stefan Monnier
  2018-02-27 20:20     ` Noam Postavsky
  2018-02-27 20:32     ` Glenn Morris
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2018-02-27 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel

>     Since 2017-03-19, M-x viper failed with function void cl-member-if.
>     Perhaps it isn't used much.

I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.


        Stefan



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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
  2018-02-27 20:14   ` [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it Stefan Monnier
@ 2018-02-27 20:20     ` Noam Postavsky
  2018-02-27 20:35       ` Stefan Monnier
  2018-02-27 20:32     ` Glenn Morris
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Noam Postavsky @ 2018-02-27 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Glenn Morris, Emacs developers

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>     Since 2017-03-19, M-x viper failed with function void cl-member-if.
>>     Perhaps it isn't used much.
>
> I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.

And/or users could easily have something else in their config which
happens to require cl-lib.



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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
  2018-02-27 20:20     ` Noam Postavsky
@ 2018-02-27 20:35       ` Stefan Monnier
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2018-02-27 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

>> I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.
> And/or users could easily have something else in their config which
> happens to require cl-lib.

Indeed, that's also a very good explanation (cl-lib is required in so
many places nowadays that it's very likely to be loaded in almost all
sessions).


        Stefan




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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
  2018-02-27 20:14   ` [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it Stefan Monnier
  2018-02-27 20:20     ` Noam Postavsky
@ 2018-02-27 20:32     ` Glenn Morris
  2018-02-27 20:41       ` Stefan Monnier
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-02-27 20:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel

Stefan Monnier wrote:

>>     Since 2017-03-19, M-x viper failed with function void cl-member-if.
>>     Perhaps it isn't used much.
>
> I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.

I suggest moving it to lisp/obsolete in Emacs, and copying it to GNU
ELPA for its future life.



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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
  2018-02-27 20:32     ` Glenn Morris
@ 2018-02-27 20:41       ` Stefan Monnier
  2018-02-28 17:32         ` Richard Stallman
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2018-02-27 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel

>>>     Since 2017-03-19, M-x viper failed with function void cl-member-if.
>>>     Perhaps it isn't used much.
>> I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.
> I suggest moving it to lisp/obsolete in Emacs, and copying it to GNU
> ELPA for its future life.

I think this would be encouraging people to move to Evil.  While I think
it's generally a good idea, I think I'd be happier with this idea if
there were a more active cooperation between Evil's maintainers and
Emacs's maintainers (e.g. some plan to try and add Evil to GNU ELPA and
bundle it in Emacs's tarball).

        Stefan

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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
  2018-02-27 20:41       ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2018-02-28 17:32         ` Richard Stallman
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2018-02-28 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: rgm, emacs-devel

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Let's try to get Evil into ELPA.  But unless/until we succeed
in doing that, Viper must be what we support and recommend.
We cannot consider it obsolete.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
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