* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
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@ 2018-02-27 20:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-27 20:20 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-02-27 20:32 ` Glenn Morris
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From: Stefan Monnier @ 2018-02-27 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel
> Since 2017-03-19, M-x viper failed with function void cl-member-if.
> Perhaps it isn't used much.
I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.
Stefan
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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
2018-02-27 20:14 ` [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it Stefan Monnier
@ 2018-02-27 20:20 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-02-27 20:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-27 20:32 ` Glenn Morris
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Noam Postavsky @ 2018-02-27 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Glenn Morris, Emacs developers
On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Stefan Monnier
<monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> Since 2017-03-19, M-x viper failed with function void cl-member-if.
>> Perhaps it isn't used much.
>
> I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.
And/or users could easily have something else in their config which
happens to require cl-lib.
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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
2018-02-27 20:14 ` [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it Stefan Monnier
2018-02-27 20:20 ` Noam Postavsky
@ 2018-02-27 20:32 ` Glenn Morris
2018-02-27 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
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From: Glenn Morris @ 2018-02-27 20:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: emacs-devel
Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Since 2017-03-19, M-x viper failed with function void cl-member-if.
>> Perhaps it isn't used much.
>
> I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.
I suggest moving it to lisp/obsolete in Emacs, and copying it to GNU
ELPA for its future life.
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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
2018-02-27 20:20 ` Noam Postavsky
@ 2018-02-27 20:35 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2018-02-27 20:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
>> I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.
> And/or users could easily have something else in their config which
> happens to require cl-lib.
Indeed, that's also a very good explanation (cl-lib is required in so
many places nowadays that it's very likely to be loaded in almost all
sessions).
Stefan
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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
2018-02-27 20:32 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2018-02-27 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-28 17:32 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2018-02-27 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-devel
>>> Since 2017-03-19, M-x viper failed with function void cl-member-if.
>>> Perhaps it isn't used much.
>> I suspect that most of its users have moved to evil.
> I suggest moving it to lisp/obsolete in Emacs, and copying it to GNU
> ELPA for its future life.
I think this would be encouraging people to move to Evil. While I think
it's generally a good idea, I think I'd be happier with this idea if
there were a more active cooperation between Evil's maintainers and
Emacs's maintainers (e.g. some plan to try and add Evil to GNU ELPA and
bundle it in Emacs's tarball).
Stefan
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* Re: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-26 6288c3d: * lisp/emulation/viper.el: Unbreak it.
2018-02-27 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2018-02-28 17:32 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Richard Stallman @ 2018-02-28 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: rgm, emacs-devel
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
Let's try to get Evil into ELPA. But unless/until we succeed
in doing that, Viper must be what we support and recommend.
We cannot consider it obsolete.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
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