From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: cpitclaudel@gmail.com, alan@idiocy.org, pipcet@gmail.com,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Ligatures
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:45:12 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4ks6lqb5.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83o8qeztiw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 23 May 2020 16:10:31 +0300")
>> Do current applications use a heuristic like "ligatures won't reduce the
>> size by more than a factor 2, so estimate the lower bound on the final
>> size to be at most half of what the font metrics say", so they will send
>> up to twice as much text to be shaped as needed, and then they throw
>> away the left overs?
> As I wrote elsewhere, HarfBuzz developers actually prefer to see the
> entire paragraph, not just screen line, because some shaping decisions
> depend on that. Not sure what the other applications do about that.
But the entire "paragraph" could be 10MB of text?!
Sounds like making the "long lines problem" even worse than it already is.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-23 13:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-05-17 10:41 Unify the Platforms: Cairo+FreeType+Harfbuzz Everywhere (except TTY) Julius Pfrommer
2020-05-17 14:09 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-17 14:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 15:06 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-17 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 16:50 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-17 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 14:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 14:59 ` Julius Pfrommer
2020-05-17 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 16:28 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-17 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 18:50 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-17 19:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 16:08 ` Ligatures (was: Unify the Platforms: Cairo+FreeType+Harfbuzz Everywhere (except TTY)) Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 16:45 ` tomas
2020-05-18 16:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 17:05 ` Ligatures Stefan Monnier
2020-05-18 17:18 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 19:19 ` Ligatures Pip Cet
2020-05-18 19:25 ` Ligatures tomas
2020-05-18 19:41 ` Ligatures Pip Cet
2020-05-18 20:20 ` Ligatures tomas
2020-05-18 19:33 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 19:44 ` Ligatures Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-19 2:25 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 2:44 ` Ligatures Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-19 13:59 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 14:35 ` Ligatures Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-19 15:21 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 15:44 ` Ligatures Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-19 16:15 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 15:36 ` Ligatures Tassilo Horn
2020-05-19 16:08 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 16:14 ` Ligatures Stefan Monnier
2020-05-19 3:47 ` Ligatures Stefan Monnier
2020-05-19 4:51 ` Ligatures Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-18 19:38 ` Ligatures Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-19 14:55 ` Ligatures Pip Cet
2020-05-19 15:30 ` Ligatures Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-19 15:52 ` Ligatures Pip Cet
2020-05-18 17:24 ` Ligatures tomas
2020-05-18 17:41 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 19:07 ` Ligatures tomas
2020-05-18 19:17 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 20:33 ` Ligatures Stefan Monnier
2020-05-18 17:31 ` Ligatures (was: Unify the Platforms: Cairo+FreeType+Harfbuzz Everywhere (except TTY)) Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-18 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 19:01 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-18 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 19:18 ` tomas
2020-05-18 20:37 ` Ligatures Stefan Monnier
2020-05-18 21:59 ` Ligatures (was: Unify the Platforms: Cairo+FreeType+Harfbuzz Everywhere (except TTY)) Alan Third
2020-05-19 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 14:39 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-19 21:43 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-20 1:41 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-20 2:07 ` Ligatures Stefan Monnier
2020-05-20 7:14 ` Ligatures (was: Unify the Platforms: Cairo+FreeType+Harfbuzz Everywhere (except TTY)) tomas
2020-05-20 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-20 17:31 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-20 18:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-20 18:33 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-20 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-20 18:53 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-20 19:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-20 23:19 ` Ligatures Stefan Monnier
2020-05-21 10:01 ` Ligatures (was: Unify the Platforms: Cairo+FreeType+Harfbuzz Everywhere (except TTY)) Pip Cet
2020-05-21 14:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-21 16:26 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-21 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-21 20:51 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-21 21:16 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-22 6:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 9:25 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-22 11:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 12:52 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-22 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 13:29 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-22 14:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 14:34 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-22 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 19:33 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-22 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 20:02 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
[not found] ` <83mu5z171j.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-05-23 14:34 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-23 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-23 16:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-22 13:56 ` Pip Cet
[not found] ` <83lflj16jn.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <AF222EA0-FE05-4224-8459-2BF82CE27266@vasilij.de>
[not found] ` <834ks7110w.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-05-23 11:24 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-05-23 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <83eerb145r.fsf@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <CAOqdjBeef8Fa596raEyBUwv0Zr+41LSiYvHW39EdoaXpyxCXVw@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <831rnb0zld.fsf@gnu.org>
2020-05-23 12:36 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-23 14:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-23 15:13 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-23 16:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-23 22:38 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-24 15:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-26 18:13 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-26 19:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-27 9:36 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-27 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-27 18:42 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-27 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-23 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-23 21:29 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-24 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-23 12:47 ` Ligatures Stefan Monnier
2020-05-23 13:10 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-23 13:45 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2020-05-23 14:12 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-23 13:36 ` Ligatures 조성빈
2020-05-23 14:15 ` Ligatures Stefan Monnier
2020-05-23 14:37 ` Ligatures Pip Cet
2020-05-22 11:44 ` Ligatures (was: Unify the Platforms: Cairo+FreeType+Harfbuzz Everywhere (except TTY)) Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 13:26 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-22 14:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 14:32 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-22 19:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-21 21:06 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-22 6:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-22 9:34 ` Pip Cet
2020-05-22 11:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 20:26 ` Alan Third
2020-05-19 10:09 ` Trevor Spiteri
2020-05-19 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 5:43 ` Ligatures ASSI
2020-05-19 7:22 ` Ligatures tomas
2020-05-19 7:55 ` Ligatures Joost Kremers
2020-05-19 8:07 ` Ligatures tomas
2020-05-19 10:17 ` Ligatures Yuri Khan
2020-05-19 14:26 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 19:00 ` Ligatures Yuri Khan
2020-05-19 10:43 ` Ligatures Werner LEMBERG
2020-05-19 10:48 ` Ligatures tomas
2020-05-19 14:18 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 14:52 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 15:11 ` Ligatures Pip Cet
2020-05-19 15:36 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 16:16 ` Ligatures Pip Cet
2020-05-19 16:41 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19 17:00 ` Ligatures Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 18:28 ` Unify the Platforms: Cairo+FreeType+Harfbuzz Everywhere (except TTY) Julius Pfrommer
2020-05-17 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17 22:28 ` chad
2020-05-18 22:08 ` Alan Third
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