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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
Cc: Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr>,
	Emacs Development <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: thunk.el: Document that thunk-force == funcall?
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 16:51:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4klnejwi.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871rgs3tdx.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Tue, 17 Nov 2020 16:17:14 +0100")

Michael Heerdegen [2020-11-17 16:17:14] wrote:
> The background: because thunks are functions, one is allowed (and it is
> useful) to directly pass them to higher order functions e.g. as a test
> predicate, or bind them using `cl-flet', or `cl-letf' to a
> `symbol-function' place.  Currently, the official solution would require
> to use a lambda wrapper.

I like the idea that we could replace the current representation with
something more like a `defstruct`, so I'm on the side of "don't document
that thunks *are* functions", but it's not a very strong opinion.

In any case even without documenting them to be functions, we could
provide

    (defalias 'thunk-function #'identity)

to avoid the wasteful use of a lambda wrapper.

> I have encountered this requirement several times (and using `thunk-let'
> was not always the solution) - thus my question.
[...]
> Say the code loops over a list of files or so (not known at think time).
> The thunk could "contain" a test that might take long (e.g. something
> that might need to look at the file's contents) but the result is
> interesting only sometimes, depending on the result of other tests (also
> not known at think time).

[ That's still pretty hypothetical.  ]
I'd be curious to see concrete examples, to get a better idea of
the tradeoffs.


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-17 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-17 15:17 thunk.el: Document that thunk-force == funcall? Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-17 17:08 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-17 17:38   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-17 18:09     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-17 21:07       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-17 22:42         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-17 23:52           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-18  8:01             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-18 14:04               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-18 22:19                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-18 22:49                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-18 23:13                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-18 23:40                       ` Stephen Leake
2020-11-18  9:04   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-11-18 22:21     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-17 17:32 ` Drew Adams
2020-11-18 23:05   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-18 23:25     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-19 11:50       ` Mattias Engdegård
2020-11-19 18:14         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-19 17:18     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-11-19  9:49   ` Nicolas Petton
2020-11-17 21:51 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2020-11-25 14:16   ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-11-27 17:22     ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-12-17  4:37       ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-12-18  2:58         ` Adam Porter

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