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From: Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Screenshots, frame shots straight from Emacs
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:48:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4kco4qmw.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87a6mgwz17.fsf@logand.com

>> -(require 'cl)
>> +(require 'cl-lib)
> What is the difference?

They provide the same features but under different names (i.e. the
above change should generally come with other changes to adjust to the
different names; they seemed to be missing from the patch).

E.g. `cl` provides `position` and `mapcar*` whereas `cl-lib` provides
`cl-position` and `cl-mapcar`.  All the functions/macros/variables
exported by `cl-lib` use the `cl-` prefix.

[ Note that in Emacs≥24.3, `(require 'cl)` will require `cl-lib` under
  the hood (and then re-export its functions under the old name), and
  the reverse holds for Emacs<24.3 if you use the forward compatibility
  `cl-lib` package from GNU ELPA.  So loading `cl` may also sometimes
  end up defining the `cl-<foo>` functions, and loading `cl-lib` may
  also sometimes define the "not cl-<foo>" functions.  ]

> Why is that needed?

Because `cl` is deprecated.

> Is it it backward compatible?

Featurewise, almost.  But it does require code changes (mostly adding
`cl-` prefixes).

> There have been changes to working with cl package for some time, has
> the dust settled yet?

AFAIK the dust settled back when Emacs-24.3 was released with `cl-lib`.
`cl-lib` was slated to (slowly) replace `cl`.  In the upcoming Emacs-28,
`cl` is officially deprecated (tho still fully supported).  In some
future release the plan is to remove `cl` from Emacs itself, tho we
may then create a GNU ELPA package for it.

IOW, there's no hurry, but moving packages away from `cl` is
recommended (as is the conversion to use `lexical-binding`: all files
bundled with Emacs-28 use `lexical-binding`).


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-07-20 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-19 13:57 The convenient method to check/inspect/retrieve the definition/usage of any commands/symbols/operators used in elisp code Hongyi Zhao
2021-06-19 14:48 ` Omar Polo
2021-06-19 15:40   ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-06-19 15:57     ` Omar Polo
2021-06-19 17:09       ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-06-23  7:48         ` Omar Polo
2021-06-23  8:56           ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-06-23  9:17             ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-06-23  9:31               ` Screenshots, frame shots straight from Emacs Jean Louis
2021-06-25 22:04                 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-25 22:34                   ` Jean Louis
2021-06-25 23:55                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-06-28  6:47                       ` Jean Louis
2021-07-01 21:01                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-02 12:50                           ` Jean Louis
2021-07-02 15:34                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-20 11:36                   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-07-20 17:42                     ` Leo Butler
2021-07-20 19:44                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-07-20 20:21                         ` Leo Butler
2021-07-20 20:50                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-07-31 23:25                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-08-01  2:16                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-08-01  6:40                                 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-08-01  7:16                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-08-01  7:42                                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-08-02 13:57                                       ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-08-02 19:57                                         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-08-03  0:56                                           ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-08-01  2:59                               ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-07-20 21:51                           ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-20 21:48                         ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor [this message]
2021-07-21 19:17                           ` Leo Butler
2021-07-21 20:05                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-21 21:44                               ` cl-lib questions (was: Re: Screenshots, frame shots straight from Emacs) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 21:59                                 ` cl-lib questions Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 22:09                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-22  8:37                           ` Screenshots, frame shots straight from Emacs Tomas Hlavaty
2021-07-22 13:21                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-22 18:19                               ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-23 11:38                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-08-01  1:38                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-31 23:32                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-07-23  1:30                             ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-31 23:31                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-08-01 14:19                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-07-21  3:34                     ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-21 17:21                       ` Leo Butler
2021-07-21 17:52                         ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-22  8:26                         ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-07-22  8:16                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-07-23  0:52                 ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-07-23  1:35                   ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-07-23  1:55                     ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-07-23  5:51                   ` Jean Louis
2021-07-23  8:56                     ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-07-23 10:28                       ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-07-23 10:32                         ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-07-23 11:04                       ` Jean Louis
2021-07-23 11:41                         ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-07-24 15:22                           ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-07-23  9:16                     ` Hongyi Zhao

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