From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: native compilation units
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 08:23:45 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv4k0m16b1.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAM=F=bAuqB1tUH5czXw7hBpqoTNa1=Ht4cjOKmBs+My39bdVEA@mail.gmail.com> (Lynn Winebarger's message of "Tue, 14 Jun 2022 23:03:29 -0400")
> The fact that cl-flet (and cl-labels) are defined to provide immutable
> bindings is really a surprise to me.
Whether they are mutable or not is not directly relevant, tho: the
import part is that being lexically scoped, the compiler gets to see all
the places where it's used and can thus determine that it's
ever mutated.
> There is one kind of expression where Andrea isn't quite correct, and that
> is with respect to (eval-when-compile ...).
You don't need `eval-when-compile`. It's already "not quite correct"
for lambda expressions. What he meant is that the function associated
with a symbol can be changed in every moment. But if you call
a function without going through such a globally-mutable indirection the
problem vanishes.
> Now the optimizer can treat ct-r1,ct-r2, and ct-r3 as constants for the
> purpose of propagation,
Same holds for
(let* ((a (lambda (f) (lambda (x) (f (+ x 5)))))
(b (lambda (y) (* y 3)))
(f (funcall a b)))
(lambda (z)
(pow z (funcall f 6))))
>> It's also "modulo enough work on the compiler (and potentially some
>> primitive functions) to make the code fast".
> Absolutely, it just doesn't look to me like a very big lift compared to,
> say, what Andrea did.
It very depends on the specifics, but it's definitely not obviously true.
ELisp like Python has grown around a "slow language" so its code is
structured in such a way that most of the time the majority of the code
that's executed is actually not ELisp but C, over which the native
compiler has no impact.
> Does this mean the native compiled code can only produce closures in
> byte-code form?
Not directly, no. But currently that's the case, yes.
> below with shared structure (the '(5)], but I don't see anything in
> the printed text to indicate it if read back in.
You need to print with `print-circle` bound to t, like the compiler does
when writing to a `.elc` file.
> I'm sure you're correct in terms of the current code base. But isn't
> the history of these kinds of improvements in compilers for functional
> languages that coding styles that had been avoided in the past can be
> adopted and produce faster code than the original?
Right, but it's usually a slow co-evolution.
> In this case, it would be enabling the pervasive use of recursion and
> less reliance on side-effects.
Not everyone would agree that "pervasive use of recursion" is an improvement.
> Improvements in the gc wouldn't hurt, either.
Actually, nowadays lots of benchmarks are already bumping into the GC as
the main bottleneck.
> ** The 'lexical-binding' local variable is always enabled.
Indeed, that's misleading. Not sure how none of us noticed it before.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-06-15 12:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-05-31 1:02 native compilation units Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-01 13:50 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-06-03 14:17 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-03 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <CAM=F=bDxxyHurxM_xdbb7XJtP8rdK16Cwp30ti52Ox4nv19J_w@mail.gmail.com>
2022-06-04 5:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-05 13:53 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-03 18:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-04 2:43 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-04 14:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-05 12:16 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-05 14:08 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-05 14:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-05 14:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-06 4:12 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-06 6:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-06 10:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-06 16:23 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-06 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-07 2:14 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-07 10:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-06 16:13 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-07 2:39 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-07 11:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-07 13:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-14 4:19 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-14 12:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-14 14:55 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-08 6:56 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-06-11 16:13 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-11 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-11 17:49 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-11 20:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-12 17:38 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-12 18:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-13 16:33 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-13 17:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-15 3:03 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-15 12:23 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-06-19 17:52 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-19 23:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-20 1:39 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-20 12:14 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-20 12:34 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-25 18:12 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-26 14:14 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-06-08 6:46 ` Andrea Corallo
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