From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 14:02:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83fs4f36wi.fsf@gnu.org> <8408fa63-af93-ab36-8524-fa12de7918ea@gutov.dev> <87pm25qck5.fsf@posteo.net> <838r8p1cva.fsf@gnu.org> <83zg15xabj.fsf@gnu.org> <83pm21x845.fsf@gnu.org> <83il7sylb0.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5970"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: "Alfred M. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311189 Archived-At: Hi Eli, Just a reminder that in the long run, you're always better off just leaving a discussion when it becomes unpleasant, rather than try and convince others that they were unpleasant. [ I'm even tempted to say that seen from the outside, the one who stops first is usually the one who was right, to start with. ] Stefan Eli Zaretskii [2023-09-29 19:51:47] wrote: >> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" >> Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, dmitry@gutov.dev, joaotavora@gmail.com, >> philipk@posteo.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, >> emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 12:32:00 -0400 >> >> > You're entierly free to not participate, specially if you consider >> > yelling at people is somehow being a maintainer, or telling that >> > their opinions do not matter when they raised them _once_. >> >> Now you are being unkind, even rude. Are GNU Kind Communications >> Guidelines only for others to follow? >> >> None of the above is unkind or rude. > > Yeah, right. Suggest you ask a friend for a second opinion. > >> It is pointing out of line behaviour. So please, kindly, go get an >> ice cream and talk to you later, keep the apology for someone else >> -- we all can have bad days. > > So being condescending is okay for you, but not for others, I guess.