From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:01 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d4waxnw7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ejgq3pp6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1190576004 3846 80.91.229.12 (23 Sep 2007 19:33:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Drew Adams , xemacs-beta@xemacs.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 23 21:33:19 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IZXCd-0006rT-VB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:33:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZXCb-0002Y9-Bl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZXCT-0002W2-6l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IZXCR-0002VT-ME for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IZXCR-0002VP-Cc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:03 -0400 Original-Received: from tomts36.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.93] helo=tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IZXCQ-0006yt-TT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:03 -0400 Original-Received: from pastel.home ([74.12.208.240]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20070923193301.KFUT7990.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@pastel.home> for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:01 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 33B35858A; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:33:00 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Didier Verna's message of "Sun\, 23 Sep 2007 16\:06\:41 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Detected-Kernel: Solaris 8 (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79607 gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:25831 Archived-At: > Note that you can already resize windows by dragging modelines, so > it's a matter of a threshold on window-height before closing one. But It'd probably be an acceptable option, but only if we can resuscitate a window after it disappeared since the user may accidentally move the modeline further than she intended. > anyway, I'm not sure this is really needed. If you happen to be unaware > of the C-x 0/1 bindings, I find it quite natural to go to the View menu > and get what you're looking for. This is pretty much compliant with what > Windows or Mac users would expect from a well behaving GUI. Could be. My beginners didn't find it obvious at all. They expect to manage such visual elements in a more direct manner. Especially since you otherwise (i.e. if you use a menu bar entry) have to somehow specify which window you want to delete. > Actually, Emacs windows are an obsolete concept that today brings us > nothing but additional and unwanted complexity. Not when running in a tty. Stefan