From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Still unable to build trunk Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:26:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87y66fv2d3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D388F7F.20708@swipnet.se> <87r5c7jk5m.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D39EF9C.1050804@cs.ucla.edu> <4D3A8666.4070609@cs.ucla.edu> <877hdvd49f.fsf@meyering.net> <83mxmrzhb6.fsf@gnu.org> <4D3C9C5B.8050303@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1295887076 25425 80.91.229.12 (24 Jan 2011 16:37:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 16:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Paul Eggert , cyd@stupidchicken.com, Jim Meyering , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , jan.h.d@swipnet.se To: Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 24 17:37:51 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PhPQM-0002uR-75 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 17:37:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38308 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PhPQG-0005bS-HF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:37:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44589 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PhPFq-00084D-IH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:26:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PhPFo-0007Pc-Pq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:26:58 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:8727 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PhPFm-0007PI-Uq; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:26:55 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEACQ3PU1MCo4O/2dsb2JhbACkZ3S8BYVQBIRwjjo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,370,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="89060422" Original-Received: from 76-10-142-14.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.142.14]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 24 Jan 2011 11:26:53 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 60A0458C4E; Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:26:48 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 24 Jan 2011 03:48:10 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134893 Archived-At: >> We decided a long time ago that it should be possible to build Emacs >> from the VCS without autotools. > Do you have a pointer to this discussion? No. > In any case, I hope you will reconsider this old decision, since the > arguments for changing this have been well made in this thread, IMO. I don't think we want to reconsider it for now. But if people can arrange Emacs's build so that it doesn't require a pre-build configure and yet is still easy to install under something like Debian stable, I could change my mind. It might even be a good change if it can help users figure out which packages need to be installed (autotools, header files, ...). >> While I don't like having `configure' and other auto-generated files >> under the control of the VCS, we've learned to live with it and some >> of those files are related to bootstrap rather than to autotools, so >> even if we change the decision, we'll still be left with such files. > I guess you mean ldefs-boot, cl-loaddefs etc. Yes. Stefan