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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Tom Tromey <tromey@redhat.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Patch for fields of `struct buffer'
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:04:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv39o9d8ys.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3r5buywbq.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> (Tom Tromey's message of "Sun,  30 Jan 2011 13:23:53 -0700")

> Yes.  I think that is the right tradeoff given my long term goal, which
> is preemptive multi-threading.

Actually the long term goal is true concurrency, to make use of the
insane number of cores we'll have by them.

RMS> Moreover, it is a big change.  Why not use a mechanism like that of
RMS> buffer-local variables?  It would be much easier and perhaps
RMS> better.

I do not care too much about the mechanism itself.  What matters to me is:
- the semantics exposed to Elisp, whee the main qualities are
  cleanliness, compatibility with existing code, and compatibility with
  the future goal of concurrency.
- the changes to the code base.

To the extent that they're hidden behind macros, the current changes
seem fine (the move of vars to globals.h is not, tho, which is why
I want globals.h to be auto-generated).

> However, in the long run I would like to see preemptive threading.
> I would rather make decisions now that support this goal, and
> I believe that planning to do any work at all at thread-switch time is
> bad for this.

While I largely agree, I do not presume that the mechanism you use now
is necessarily going to stay.  So it's important that it stay
well encapsulated.


        Stefan


PS: BTW, the special Lisp_Object values like Lisp_Buffer_Local_Value have
disappeared on the trunk, replaced by extra bits in the Symbol objects.



  reply	other threads:[~2011-01-31  4:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-27 20:18 Patch for fields of `struct buffer' Tom Tromey
2011-01-28  7:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-28  8:58   ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-28  9:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-29 12:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-29 13:33         ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-01-29 13:42           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-02-02 18:17             ` Juanma Barranquero
2011-02-02 19:51               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-01-28 14:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-28 17:38   ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-28 18:27     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-28 18:42       ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-28 20:04         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-28 17:23 ` Kim F. Storm
2011-01-28 17:36   ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-28 18:29   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-29  2:34     ` Miles Bader
2011-01-29  3:58       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-29 16:18 ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-30 20:23   ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31  4:04     ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2011-01-31 14:29       ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 15:22         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 15:30           ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 17:02             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 18:38               ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 20:03                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 20:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 20:05               ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 20:40                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 16:46         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-01-31 19:04           ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 22:08             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-02-01 10:54             ` Daniel Colascione
2011-02-07  2:34               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-07 19:48                 ` concurrency suggestions for Gnus (was: Patch for fields of `struct buffer') Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-08  4:31                   ` concurrency suggestions for Gnus Miles Bader
2011-02-08 12:55                     ` Andy Moreton
2011-02-08 12:55                     ` Justin Lilly
2011-02-08 14:41                     ` bloom filters (was: concurrency suggestions for Gnus) Ted Zlatanov
2011-02-08 15:15                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-10  8:17                   ` concurrency suggestions for Gnus Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-02-01 15:43             ` Patch for fields of `struct buffer' Stefan Monnier
2011-02-01 16:28               ` Helmut Eller
2011-02-07  2:47                 ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-07  2:44               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-07  8:05                 ` Helmut Eller
2011-02-07 19:23                   ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-08 16:30                     ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-08 16:26                   ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-08 17:57                     ` Helmut Eller
2011-02-11 21:59                       ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-12  9:16                         ` Helmut Eller
2011-02-08 21:10                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 19:38         ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 18:26         ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01 19:28           ` Paul Eggert
2011-02-01 19:42             ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-09 10:16               ` Jim Meyering
2011-02-10  4:42                 ` Miles Bader
2011-02-01 20:34           ` Andreas Schwab
2011-02-01 21:56             ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01 21:59           ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02  0:44             ` Paul Eggert
2011-02-02  3:49             ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-02 16:26               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02 16:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-08 15:07               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-08 21:02                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-08 21:08                   ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-08 21:21                   ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-09 21:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-08 21:58                 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-02-01 22:21           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-08 16:38             ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-11 21:48             ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-12  2:25               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 19:37     ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-31 19:57       ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01  2:42         ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01  4:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-02-01 16:40         ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 16:44           ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02  2:42             ` Richard Stallman
2011-01-31 20:30       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-01-31 20:49         ` Tom Tromey
2011-01-31 21:54           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-13 19:01             ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-14 17:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-14 19:34                 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-02-15 15:58                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-15 20:41                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-01 16:39           ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 12:09         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-02  2:41           ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 10:26       ` Daniel Colascione
2011-02-01 12:10         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-01 14:23           ` Lennart Borgman
2011-02-01 16:19             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-02-01 17:08               ` Lennart Borgman
2011-02-01 19:57               ` Daniel Colascione
2011-02-01 20:06                 ` Daniel Colascione
2011-02-01 16:41         ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-01 16:51           ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02  2:42             ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-02  4:16               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-02  5:04                 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-11 21:51               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-12 23:28                 ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-13 20:26                   ` Installing `struct buffer' patch (Was: Patch for fields of `struct buffer') Tom Tromey
2011-02-14 16:42                     ` Installing `struct buffer' patch Chong Yidong
2011-02-14 16:48                       ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-14 16:52                         ` Chong Yidong
2011-02-14 16:58                           ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-14 17:36                           ` Stefan Monnier
2011-02-15 15:50                             ` Chong Yidong
2011-02-16 14:55                               ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-15 15:57                       ` Richard Stallman
2011-02-15  4:07                     ` Glenn Morris
2011-02-15 14:28                       ` Tom Tromey
2011-02-01 20:04           ` Patch for fields of `struct buffer' Daniel Colascione
2011-02-02  2:43             ` Richard Stallman

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