From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:51:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <8739amb3rf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87y5se9o41.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328665916 8022 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 01:51:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 01:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: egnarts-ms , Lennart Borgman , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 02:51:54 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwhN-0001Ay-JT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:51:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45860 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwhM-0002kc-VY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:51:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45759) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwhK-0002kN-G8 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:51:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwhJ-0005Tg-Go for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:51:50 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:32345) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RuwhJ-0005TQ-ER for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:51:49 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAGjUMU9MCqD0/2dsb2JhbABDr1mBB4FyAQEEAVYjBQsLNBIUGA0kiA+5S4tzEgICAwYCBAIBBAICDAYKAQIBhB0BBASDWASIRpsHhFo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,381,1325480400"; d="scan'208";a="161803103" Original-Received: from 76-10-160-244.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.160.244]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 07 Feb 2012 20:51:47 -0500 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 46B28660DC; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:51:47 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87y5se9o41.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (nix@esperi.org.uk's message of "Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:15:42 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148338 Archived-At: > Sure. One downside is that this means that the intricate code in > bytecomp.el can't be removed (surely not until use of cl-clean, or > whatever we call it, becomes second nature to elisp writers). It could be simplified, tho, to just deprecate the use of (require 'cl) altogether in favor of the new names. Of course, this wouldn't be convenient for packages that want to work on older Emacs and XEmacs as well. Stefan