From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19152: 25.0.50; Suggestions for M-x commands Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87y4r77jbn.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <87lhn2uodm.fsf@violet.siamics.net> <87vbm5rsij.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net> <87lhmzsl2q.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416927094 2779 80.91.229.3 (25 Nov 2014 14:51:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:51:34 +0000 (UTC) To: 19152@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 25 15:51:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XtHSg-0006Lp-Ph for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:51:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57815 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtHSg-0001oa-CD for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:51:26 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38155) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtHSR-0001Y0-0R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:51:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtHSJ-0007vT-Bc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:51:10 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47489) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XtHSI-0007vE-Mj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:51:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XtHSI-0005Tu-GY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:51:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19152 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19152-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19152.141692703021026 (code B ref 19152); Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19152) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Nov 2014 14:50:30 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44702 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XtHRl-0005T4-NN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:50:30 -0500 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:44530) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XtHRj-0005Sv-0R for 19152@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:50:27 -0500 Original-Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id sAPEoPbW030769; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:50:25 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 3EF42653E; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:50:25 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <87lhmzsl2q.fsf_-_@violet.siamics.net> (Ivan Shmakov's message of "Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:09:33 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV5136=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9393 : core <5136> : inlines <1557> : streams <1348440> : uri <1836091> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:96543 Archived-At: >> Options to circumvent bugs are a bad idea, in general (with >> exceptions, of course, like everything, such as when the bug is >> particularly hard to fix, or occurs in some code we can't control). > Analogously speaking, isn=E2=80=99t --without-x-toolkit just an option > to circumvent Gtk-related bugs? If it is, then it's OK because those bugs "occur in some code we can't cont= rol". >> An option to turn the feature off is fine. An option to choose the >> number of chars we have to gain is not. > Why not? Because that exposes too much irrelevant details. BTW, if you want to "turn it off" and can't wait for someone to install such an option in the trunk, you can try: (advice-add 'execute-extended-command--shorter :override #'ignore) -- Stefan