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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Change Tramp syntax
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 11:56:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv37elozm8.fsf-monnier+emacsdiffs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mvcti5he.fsf_-_@detlef> (Michael Albinus's message of "Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:14:21 +0100")

> Maybe we shall start a poll, in emacs-devel, emacs-help and
> tramp-devel. We should not ask what a user prefers (many of them will
> prefer not to type a method). They question must be what will be broken
> if we stop support for ange-ftp syntax "/host:/path/to/file".

Actually, there are several options, for example:
1- Get rid of ange-ftp syntax altogether, like you propose.
2- Keep the syntax, but only when it doesn't collide with the
   Tramp syntax.  I.e. /fencepost:foo will still be allowed, but
   if you want to access a host named "ssh" you'll need something like
   /ftp:ssh:foo or /ssh:ssh:foo or /ssh.domain:foo or /user@ssh:foo.
   I.e. /foo: will only be considered ange-ftp syntax if `foo` is not a method.
3- Like 2 but treat /foo:./bar and /foo:/bar as an ange-ftp syntax even if
   `foo` is a method.

I never use ange-ftp syntax (although I only ever use the `ssh` method),
so I could live with 1 (and it sure would simplify the code), but I'm in
favor of option 2 because I think it is the simplest option that still
preserves the main benefit of the ange-ftp syntax (i.e. the default
method).

> This would also mean, that we cannot support default methods anymore. A
> file name with a default method would look like "/:host:/path/to/file",
> which is already the quoted file name syntax.

If really needed we could use something like `/-:host:`.


        Stefan



  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-10 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20170309184458.08C9725FCF@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2017-03-10  8:43   ` [Emacs-diffs] master 37b88d7: Fix bug#23006 Stefan Monnier
2017-03-10 10:00     ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 10:10       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-10 10:32         ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 10:57           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-10 14:14             ` Change Tramp syntax (was: [Emacs-diffs] master 37b88d7: Fix bug#23006) Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 15:22               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-04-03 15:54                 ` Change Tramp syntax John Wiegley
2017-04-03 17:00                   ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-03 23:14                     ` John Wiegley
2017-04-03 23:35                       ` Drew Adams
2017-04-04  8:46                       ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-04 16:46                         ` John Wiegley
2017-04-04 16:59                           ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-04 19:44                             ` John Wiegley
2017-04-06 19:12                               ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-07  5:27                                 ` John Wiegley
2017-04-08 16:43                                   ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-13 18:00                                     ` John Wiegley
2017-04-07 13:52                                 ` Filipp Gunbin
2017-04-07 14:02                                   ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-08 16:41                                   ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-09 19:18                                     ` Talking about Lisp symbols Richard Stallman
2017-04-10 13:43                                     ` Change Tramp syntax Filipp Gunbin
2017-04-10 16:18                                     ` Teemu Likonen
2017-04-10 16:45                                       ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-10 18:03                                         ` Teemu Likonen
2017-04-04 17:04                       ` John Wiegley
2017-04-04 17:50                         ` Michael Albinus
2017-04-04 21:08                           ` John Wiegley
2017-04-04  7:09                     ` Andreas Schwab
2017-03-10 16:56               ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2017-03-11 19:44                 ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-11 20:08                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-11 20:31                     ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-12 15:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-12 18:30                         ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-12 22:11                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-13 17:23                           ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-13 17:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-13 17:35                               ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-14  3:38                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14  9:06                                   ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-14 14:13                                     ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-14 16:11                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-14 15:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-03-11 21:54                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-12  9:10                     ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-12 17:12                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-12 18:43                         ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-12 21:50                           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-03-13  7:23                             ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 10:30       ` [Emacs-diffs] master 37b88d7: Fix bug#23006 Dmitry Gutov
2017-03-10 10:36         ` Michael Albinus
2017-03-10 13:44           ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-03-10 10:34       ` Stefan Monnier

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