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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: nic@ferrier.me.uk, "Clément Pit-Claudel" <cpitclaudel@gmail.com>,
	"Helmut Eller" <heller@common-lisp.net>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Proper namespaces in Elisp
Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 15:20:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv368f7bxq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALDnm52q2tbSzTx+-L5ahVAJy_eBN83jM4rDGP5C+viduEtH8Q@mail.gmail.com> ("João Távora"'s message of "Mon, 4 May 2020 20:02:04 +0100")

> I can't even imagine what a solution that _doesn't_ operate on the reader
> looks like. Are you talking about form walking macros that walk the
> forms and switch the short version of names into the long versions
> and intern everything into the same obarray?  Hmmm.

Something like it, yes.

E.g. in `macroexpand` we'd change the symbol case so that when a symbol
has the shape `s:bar` we treat it a bit as if we were looking
at `(: s bar)` so we pass it to the `:` macro which might replace it
with `(gethash s-obarray 'bar)` or with `string-bar` or ...

It comes with its own hurdles, obviously: e.g. making it work not just
on variables but on function names, face names, etc...

You can look at Scheme and Clojure for yet more ways to skin this cat.

AFAICT, adding namespaces to Elisp will only happen if someone comes up
with a working implementation and Emacs's head maintainer is strongly
supportive.  I don't think Eli is more strongly supportive of the idea
than I was, and yet it didn't happen during my tenure, so I won't hold
my breath.


        Stefan




  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-04 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-04 10:52 Proper namespaces in Elisp João Távora
2020-05-04 15:11 ` Adam Porter
2020-05-04 15:38   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-04 15:49     ` João Távora
2020-05-04 16:39       ` Adam Porter
2020-05-04 16:49         ` João Távora
2020-05-04 18:00       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-04 20:19       ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-05  2:51     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 15:29 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-04 16:04   ` João Távora
2020-05-04 18:29     ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-04 18:39     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 19:02       ` João Távora
2020-05-04 19:20         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2020-05-04 19:49           ` João Távora
2020-05-04 21:59         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-04 22:34           ` João Távora
2020-05-05 10:33             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 10:54               ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 12:50               ` João Távora
2020-05-05 13:34                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 14:03                   ` João Távora
2020-05-05 14:26                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 21:20                       ` João Távora
2020-05-05 23:37                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-06  0:15                           ` João Távora
2020-05-06  7:07                             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-06 19:48                               ` João Távora
2020-05-07  6:13                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 13:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-05 14:07                 ` João Távora
2020-05-05  4:55           ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-04 21:40     ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-04 22:09       ` João Távora
2020-05-05  1:09         ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-05  9:38           ` João Távora
2020-05-05 16:41             ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-05 21:29               ` João Távora
2020-05-06  3:25                 ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-06 19:38                   ` João Távora
2020-05-06 22:47                     ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-07 10:00                       ` João Távora
2020-05-07 18:30                         ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-07 19:32                           ` João Távora
2020-05-04 22:40       ` João Távora
2020-05-05  1:24         ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-04 15:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-05 15:10 ` Tom Tromey
2020-05-05 21:30   ` João Távora
2020-05-07  2:23     ` Tom Tromey
2020-05-07  3:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 13:02         ` Tom Tromey
2020-05-07 13:48           ` João Távora
2020-05-07 18:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 18:48               ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-07 20:33                 ` João Távora
2020-05-08  2:56                   ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 15:56                     ` João Távora
2020-05-08 17:59                       ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 18:38                         ` João Távora
2020-05-07 19:37         ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 20:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 20:42             ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 21:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 21:10                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 21:46                   ` João Távora
2020-05-07 21:56                     ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 22:12                       ` João Távora
2020-05-08 18:59               ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 19:34                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09  0:00                   ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-09  0:32                     ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09  8:37                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 16:11                         ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 17:25                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 17:45                             ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 18:23                               ` João Távora
2020-05-09 18:32                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 18:35                                   ` João Távora
2020-05-09 18:39                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 19:11                                       ` João Távora
2020-05-09 18:30                               ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 18:33                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 18:48                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 20:34                                     ` Why :USE sucks in the Common Lisp package system Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 21:47                                       ` João Távora
2020-05-09 21:55                                         ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 22:01                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 22:07                                             ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 22:12                                           ` João Távora
2020-05-10 10:10                                             ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 23:23                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-10  6:46                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-10  8:53                                           ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-10  9:59                                             ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-10  1:19                       ` Proper namespaces in Elisp Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 23:07                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-08 23:23                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-09  8:12                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 12:06             ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn

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