From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#65451: 30.0.50; `after-change-functions' are not triggered in the same order the changes are made Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:04:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <871qfv2zlk.fsf@localhost> <83a5ujtgfo.fsf@gnu.org> <86frw7dd3d.fsf@gnu.org> <865xx3d5ud.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Stefan Monnier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10032"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: acm@muc.de, yantar92@posteo.net, 65451@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 31 05:06:21 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rqlWX-0002SH-6G for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2024 05:06:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rqlWG-0006pM-Sp; Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:06:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rqlWC-0006p6-A3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:06:00 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rqlWB-0005h6-V7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:05:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rqlWE-0007zw-0z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:06:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 03:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 65451 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 65451-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B65451.171185430530628 (code B ref 65451); Sun, 31 Mar 2024 03:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 65451) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Mar 2024 03:05:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46406 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rqlVI-0007xl-40 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:05:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:61072) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rqlVG-0007wv-1W for 65451@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 211EF44230A; Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:04:54 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1711854292; bh=jxxzXM02kK/44GHOEwbVYuKZ0mJr9EetlubCp95+yIo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=nlKsdfoqR9+cO9eqSQBtpFSv+RC8eGMRb4TTLBEeKyoihPEW142VYKGkmbiw3haL8 bjNRcyGI4UW39IOZ4bzAVHZpuJ2hbIyTseX/FTbAtXbE9QkllTVwCbZPkfCbv+xM6g Fj6xbQ+3nVkl7eqO0qfh8DWfpY8dnuc6tE59KAXY4oPjqacU6f0/SOe3EbUf9QRj4b MPSC8MU0X4Wb0+WLSmIAfTybLiaVxIvVS763FBEgWTeKlRLKa+8zLikoeMNzcZAkvj SmgVjQBup7C/v/fSrHxfQBlOsQKnmYgL4/7PW5BW2fVfsHtxTHuAP6qnS0w58iMr5I 8Uyy1lwugCL4A== Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DDFBD4422A2; Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.201.215]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AD8A912067B; Sat, 30 Mar 2024 23:04:52 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <865xx3d5ud.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 30 Mar 2024 19:47:38 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:282408 Archived-At: >> `*-change-functions` should not modify the buffer > That's not what happened in the case described in that bug, AFAIR. No, indeed. >> so the only cases I can think of where "a function that changes a >> buffer can be called from another function which changes the same >> buffer" is when both of those functions are in our C code and we >> should have enough control to fix those cases. > You forget the various hooks, other than buffer modification hooks. If we have to run them some time between `before-c-f` and `after-c-f`, then they should not modify the buffer, just like the `*-change-functions` hooks,=20 >> Alan did convince me that we should treat them as bugs and that we >> should try and fix them. > He didn't convince me. =F0=9F=99=82 Stefan