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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: propose adding Icicles to Emacs
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:07:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv1wgev80g.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EIENLHALHGIMHGDOLMIMKEHHDCAA.drew.adams@oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu\, 14 Jun 2007 08\:51\:28 -0700")

> I gave concrete examples for `completing-read' and pointed to the code for
> the others as well. Each of the functions has different additional things
> added, which cannot be done on `minibuffer-setup-hook'. Initializations etc.
> that are appropriate for only one function (e.g. `completing-read') cannot
> be put on a hook that is run when every function activates the minibuffer.

Saying "can't do that" is not helpful.
Please explain why you think you can't do that.  What would you need to do
be able to do?

E.g. you can probably distinguish from minibuffer-setup-hook between most of
the possible situations by looking at which keymap is used locally, what are
the settings for the various minibuffer-<foobar> variables, etc...

Maybe these solutions are just as ugly (e.g. comparing (current-local-map)
with minibuffer-local-completion-map would definitely count as an ugly
hack), but at least they may give us some idea of what might be needed.

Maybe other things just can't be done in minibuffer-setup-hook or
minibuffer-exit-hook because they need to be run at some completely
different moment.

Let's try to be constructive.


        Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-14 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-26  0:19 [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manual index] Richard Stallman
2007-05-26  6:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29  4:01   ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-29 19:12     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29 20:05       ` Stephen Berman
2007-05-29 20:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-29 21:20           ` Stephen Berman
2007-05-29 21:25         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-29 21:03       ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-30  3:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-30  4:43           ` Drew Adams
2007-05-30  5:26             ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-05-30 15:17             ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Johan Bockgård
2007-05-30 23:09               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-30  5:23           ` David Kastrup
2007-05-30 23:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-30 23:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-02  2:54     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02  9:18       ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-02 17:29         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 10:12       ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-06-02 17:29         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 23:47           ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-06-03 21:27             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 10:18       ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-02 14:36         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-02 17:26         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-02 23:47           ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-02 23:48             ` Jason Rumney
2007-06-02 17:29         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-02 18:10           ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-03 21:27             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04  5:30               ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable inElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-02 23:01           ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Miles Bader
2007-06-03  0:00           ` Karl Berry
2007-06-03 21:27             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-03 22:52               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-03 23:55                 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-04  5:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-04  5:42                     ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable inElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-04 23:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-05  0:10                         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enableinElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-06  0:50                   ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06  2:12                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-06 12:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 13:54                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-06 15:06                           ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable inElispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-06 18:44                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 20:01                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 20:51                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 21:18                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 22:01                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 22:24                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 22:40                                         ` Karl Berry
2007-06-07 12:37                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-07 22:22                                             ` Karl Berry
2007-06-08  1:00                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08  2:28                                                 ` Karl Berry
2007-06-08  6:58                                                   ` csant
2007-06-08 15:42                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08  7:12                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08  8:34                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 22:04                                     ` Karl Berry
2007-06-08  7:11                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  8:32                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-08 15:46                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-08 15:52                                   ` propose adding Icicles to Emacs Drew Adams
2007-06-10 13:19                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-10 17:16                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-10 18:22                                         ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-06-11  0:09                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11  9:44                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 18:33                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 19:17                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-11 20:53                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 21:46                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-11 23:21                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-13  8:06                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14  7:48                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-14 15:51                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-14 16:07                                                     ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2007-06-15  0:39                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 19:22                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:04                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:51                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 20:53                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17  8:54                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 18:48                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 20:39                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:18                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 23:07                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 21:17                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-18 23:31                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-19  8:16                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-19 14:47                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 14:56                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:26                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-20  6:46                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-28  2:41                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-28 15:47                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-28 19:25                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-28 20:03                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-29  5:10                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-18 21:31                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19  3:52                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:26                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19 23:11                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20  1:19                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-19 22:47                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-19 23:15                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 14:19                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-20 15:13                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 15:13                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-20 15:34                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 15:50                                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-20 16:02                                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-20 16:38                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 17:28                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 17:51                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-21  1:07                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-19 22:48                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-20 17:36                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 19:58                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:51                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 22:36                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:49                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 18:51                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 22:29                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-17 21:48                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 22:18                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 16:15                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 13:19                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 14:57                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 19:52                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-25 21:40                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-26 16:57                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-26 17:36                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-07-01 20:40                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-01 21:54                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-02 19:47                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-02 22:19                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-07-03  4:24                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-03  7:56                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-07-04  3:43                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-04  6:13                                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-25 20:47                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-21 18:35                                                                 ` Davis Herring
2007-06-21 18:39                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-21 20:42                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-21 22:27                                                                     ` Davis Herring
2007-06-22  0:20                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-24 14:40                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15  8:48                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 13:23                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 22:45                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 16:21                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 16:22                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 19:00                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-14 16:19                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15  1:01                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 19:22                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:04                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:50                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-17 18:46                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-17 19:35                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-18 21:31                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11  9:44                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 17:29                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 18:10                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-13  8:07                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13 15:23                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-06-14  7:49                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15  0:41                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-15 19:22                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-15 21:04                                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-16 18:51                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-16 22:30                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-13  8:07                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11  3:49                                     ` Miles Bader
2007-06-11  7:24                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11 16:25                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11  9:44                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 18:41                                         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-12  0:43                                           ` Miles Bader
2007-06-12  8:08                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-12  9:18                                               ` joakim
2007-06-12 11:04                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-12 11:16                                                   ` joakim
2007-06-12 13:30                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-12 14:06                                                     ` keys that work on terminals (was: Re: propose adding Icicles to Emacs) Dan Nicolaescu
2007-06-12 14:45                                                       ` keys that work on terminals joakim
2007-06-12 13:22                                               ` propose adding Icicles to Emacs Drew Adams
2007-06-06 15:43                           ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Stefan Monnier
2007-06-04  5:01                 ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Richard Stallman
2007-06-04 23:51                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-05  3:55                     ` Miles Bader
2007-06-05 16:29                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-05 17:12                         ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elispmanualindex] Drew Adams
2007-06-05 19:17                       ` [drew.adams@oracle.com: RE: cannot find :enable in Elisp manualindex] Richard Stallman
2007-06-05 22:32                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06  0:32                       ` Karl Berry
2007-06-06 22:10                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 22:21                           ` Karl Berry
2007-06-02 22:34       ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-02 22:42     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-03  3:07       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-06-03  9:34         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-03 21:23           ` Karl Berry
2007-06-03 21:27           ` Richard Stallman

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