From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: finder.el UI Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87zl2g24xy.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87mxyfq3bz.fsf@gmx.de> <87sk87h49a.fsf@gmx.de> <87hbomwu4b.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <878w9yr0zh.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> <87pr37ka78.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <87fx41uwl4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <874okc6x5p.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87y6hnq59o.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <878w9k1o1g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fx3szaxt.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269274454 16471 80.91.229.12 (22 Mar 2010 16:14:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 22 17:14:10 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtkGX-0000x6-CT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 17:14:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53889 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtkGW-0000fx-Q3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:14:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NtkCC-0006IE-Rx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:09:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39839 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtkCB-0006HQ-AV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:09:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtkC9-0001rr-Mt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:09:38 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:41513 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtkC9-0001ri-Kk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:09:37 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAP8yp0vO+IPa/2dsb2JhbACbI3S7U4JcgiEEix0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.51,288,1267419600"; d="scan'208";a="58808852" Original-Received: from 206-248-131-218.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.131.218]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2010 12:09:36 -0400 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id BBAD2820E; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:09:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <87fx3szaxt.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:29:50 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122486 Archived-At: SM> All packages bundled with Emacs (i.e. all those found by finder.el) are SM> already installed and activated. > I thought it would make sense to link what package.el will manage into > finder.el and other Emacs facilities, so this would no longer be true. > finder.el would show (clearly marked regarding their state and repo > origin) available, installed, and activated packages; there would also > be a way from there to install and activate a package, either internally > or through a link to the package.el UI. Do you disagree with that > proposal? I'm not opposed to it, but just pointing out that currently they do things that are quite different, since finder.el lets you find things among the installed&activated packages, whereas package.el lets you find things among the nonactivated&noninstalled packages and lets you activate&|install them. AFAIK the urgent thing is to add the ability to install several version of a package and then separately to choose which one to activate in a given session. And then to install package.el (the paperwork from other contributors can even come later since those contributions aren't needed for those features anyway). Stefan