From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug#7517: 24.0.50; repeated crash under Mac OS X Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:22:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87vd2dyzfj.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4D1B22A1.6080202@swipnet.se> <4D1B27AF.7010701@swipnet.se> <4D1C6E7D.2040300@swipnet.se> <4D1D0172.8080404@swipnet.se> <4D1DB555.5080002@swipnet.se> <4D1DBD4A.6010303@swipnet.se> <83d3oiaysj.fsf@gnu.org> <4D1DD655.1040809@swipnet.se> <83aajmaxme.fsf@gnu.org> <4D1E5987.2000502@swipnet.se> <83oc80q1k4.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293902587 14647 80.91.229.12 (1 Jan 2011 17:23:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: u.s.reddy@cs.bham.ac.uk, user.emacs@gmail.com, cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 7517@debbugs.gnu.org, jan.h.d@swipnet.se To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 01 18:23:02 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ5AT-0001ux-Nk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:23:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55590 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZ5AS-0000pK-TW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:23:00 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54285 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZ5AN-0000p6-NC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:22:57 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ5AM-00049N-GO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:22:55 -0500 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183]:16773 helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZ5AL-00048V-5k; Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:22:53 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAP7xHk1Ld/TY/2dsb2JhbACkRHS8AYVKBIRljhs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,260,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="86874113" Original-Received: from 75-119-244-216.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([75.119.244.216]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 01 Jan 2011 12:22:31 -0500 Original-Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id E5F4358D59; Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:22:30 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <83oc80q1k4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:57:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134120 Archived-At: > The only thing it can do is output the replacement character U+FFFD, > or `?', or characters in the range U+DC80..U+DCFF. I tend to think > that `?' is the best alternative. Any output is fine by me. We could try and output a chunk of text like U+NNNN, but a simple ? would do as well. >> This is contrary to what we do for utf-8 files > So we should have a different encoding symbol for these two variants. Indeed. Maybe we could call the new one `valid-utf-8'. > I still maintain that VM should do better in this case. I don't think > we have a clear idea of what happened in this particular crash, so > perhaps is too soon to forget about VM's part. No matter what VM does Emacs shouldn't crash. Stefan