* cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
@ 2014-10-20 22:37 covici
2014-10-21 0:18 ` Kelvin White
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From: covici @ 2014-10-20 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Hi. I am getting this immediately upon starting emacs 24.4-rc1. How do
I even troubleshoot as it seems to be something in my .emacs file?
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-10-20 22:37 covici
@ 2014-10-21 0:18 ` Kelvin White
2014-10-21 1:45 ` covici
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From: Kelvin White @ 2014-10-21 0:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: covici; +Cc: emacs-devel
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You can start emacs with -Q option to exclude your init file... `emacs -Q'
On Oct 20, 2014 6:38 PM, <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> Hi. I am getting this immediately upon starting emacs 24.4-rc1. How do
> I even troubleshoot as it seems to be something in my .emacs file?
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
>
> --
> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
>
> John Covici
> covici@ccs.covici.com
>
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-10-21 0:18 ` Kelvin White
@ 2014-10-21 1:45 ` covici
2014-10-21 5:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: covici @ 2014-10-21 1:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Kelvin White; +Cc: emacs-devel
hmmm, I found that the problem was caused by something called
csharp-mode which I had emerged from the repository, so I don't know
what it is about emacs-24 which caused me to get that error in that
file, no way to debug your init -- is there? I thought I remembered
some way to do that.
Kelvin White <kwhite@gnu.org> wrote:
> You can start emacs with -Q option to exclude your init file... `emacs -Q'
> On Oct 20, 2014 6:38 PM, <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi. I am getting this immediately upon starting emacs 24.4-rc1. How do
> > I even troubleshoot as it seems to be something in my .emacs file?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
> >
> > --
> > Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
> > How do
> > you spend it?
> >
> > John Covici
> > covici@ccs.covici.com
> >
> >
> >
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-10-21 1:45 ` covici
@ 2014-10-21 5:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-21 6:59 ` covici
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From: Stephen J. Turnbull @ 2014-10-21 5:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: covici; +Cc: Kelvin White, emacs-devel
covici@ccs.covici.com writes:
> file, no way to debug your init -- is there? I thought I remembered
> some way to do that.
Your init file is just a library like any other as far as Emacs is
concerned. As Kelvin said, you just start with `emacs -Q' to ensure a
clean environment, and as he didn't say, then you do whatever you do
to debug any library. You lose the convenience of your
customizations, that's all.
> Kelvin White <kwhite@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > You can start emacs with -Q option to exclude your init file... `emacs -Q'
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-10-21 5:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
@ 2014-10-21 6:59 ` covici
2014-10-21 13:45 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: covici @ 2014-10-21 6:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stephen J. Turnbull; +Cc: Kelvin White, emacs-devel
So, does anyone know about csharp-mode and why it would give me this
error?
Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
> covici@ccs.covici.com writes:
>
> > file, no way to debug your init -- is there? I thought I remembered
> > some way to do that.
>
> Your init file is just a library like any other as far as Emacs is
> concerned. As Kelvin said, you just start with `emacs -Q' to ensure a
> clean environment, and as he didn't say, then you do whatever you do
> to debug any library. You lose the convenience of your
> customizations, that's all.
>
> > Kelvin White <kwhite@gnu.org> wrote:
> >
> > > You can start emacs with -Q option to exclude your init file... `emacs -Q'
>
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How do
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-10-21 6:59 ` covici
@ 2014-10-21 13:45 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2014-10-21 13:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: covici; +Cc: Stephen J. Turnbull, Kelvin White, emacs-devel
> So, does anyone know about csharp-mode and why it would give me this
> error?
I think I have some idea of what's the underlying problem (in cc-mode,
used by csharp-mode). Try:
emacs --debug-init
and hopefully you'll get a backtrace. In any case, open a bug with `M-x
report-emacs-bug` so we can track it there.
Stefan
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
@ 2014-11-25 21:24 Jostein Kjønigsen
2014-11-25 22:12 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Jostein Kjønigsen @ 2014-11-25 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
If you're attempt to open some C#-files using the current Emacs 24.4
Windows-build, a bug in cc-defs.el is triggered during the
initialization of csharp-mode, and the mode fails to load.
This code here, while not the "production" fix, illustrates what goes
wrong:
https://gist.github.com/bsuh/f8b12b0d7e15f75f9a7c
The current fix in the repo can be found here:
237bf45a (Stefan Monnier 2014-10-29 23:50:15 -0400 177)
(eval-and-compile
237bf45a (Stefan Monnier 2014-10-29 23:50:15 -0400 178)
(defalias 'c--macroexpand-all
237bf45a (Stefan Monnier 2014-10-29 23:50:15 -0400 179) (if
(fboundp 'macroexpand-all)
237bf45a (Stefan Monnier 2014-10-29 23:50:15 -0400 180)
'macroexpand-all 'cl-macroexpand-all)))
That commit should (hopefully) contain the rest of the patching needed,
but it's mostly just applying the wrapper function instead of
cl-macroexpand-all directly.
Any chance of getting a new 24.4 build built for the Windows-users with
this patch built in?
--
Jostein Kjønigsen
jostein@kjonigsen.net / jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net
> So, does anyone know about csharp-mode and why it would give me this
> error?
I think I have some idea of what's the underlying problem (in cc-mode,
used by csharp-mode). Try:
emacs --debug-init
and hopefully you'll get a backtrace. In any case, open a bug with `M-x
report-emacs-bug` so we can track it there.
Stefan
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-11-25 21:24 cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void Jostein Kjønigsen
@ 2014-11-25 22:12 ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-25 22:35 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2014-11-25 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jostein; +Cc: emacs-devel
Can't you work around this with just
(require 'cl)
?
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-11-25 22:12 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2014-11-25 22:35 ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-26 8:22 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2014-11-25 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jostein; +Cc: emacs-devel
Following diff seems to make csharp-mode-0.8.5.el work fine for me.
(Without the `eval-and-compile', it was uncompilable in any Emacs 24.x.)
Since it uses eg `set-difference', IMO it should in any case explicitly
require cl and not rely on its other dependencies pulling it in.
*** csharp-mode-0.8.5.el.ORIG 2014-11-25 14:32:22.001787092 -0800
--- csharp-mode-0.8.5.el 2014-11-25 14:31:13.608157922 -0800
***************
*** 379,384 ****
--- 379,385 ----
;; 0.8.6 DPC 2011 May ??
;; -
+ (eval-when-compile (require 'cl))
(require 'cc-mode)
***************
*** 472,477 ****
--- 473,479 ----
"Regex for matching directive blocks in ASP.NET files (.aspx, .ashx, .ascx)")
+ (eval-and-compile
(defconst csharp-enum-decl-re
(concat
"\\<enum[ \t\n\r\f\v]+"
***************
*** 484,490 ****
"\\)"
"\\)?")
"Regex that captures an enum declaration in C#"
! )
;; ==================================================================
--- 486,492 ----
"\\)"
"\\)?")
"Regex that captures an enum declaration in C#"
! ))
;; ==================================================================
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-11-25 22:35 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2014-11-26 8:22 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2014-11-26 14:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-26 16:47 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Jostein Kjønigsen @ 2014-11-26 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris, jostein; +Cc: emacs-devel
While I can work aroud this bug by this patch or a similar, I think it's
worth noting that csharp-mode worked fine prior to Emacs 24.4.
This means that some changes in core emacs now breaks derived c-modes.
So yes, we can work around this in csharp-mode (for now), but are we
100% sure we haven't broken any other derived c-modes in the process?
Wouldn't it be better to have this fixed in the -official- Emacs version
being distrubuted from the GNU website? If building Emacs from source
(master-branch) right now, the issue is already fixed. We might just
need a new build and that's it.
--
Jostein Kjønigsen
jostein@kjonigsen.net / jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Glenn Morris wrote:
>
> Following diff seems to make csharp-mode-0.8.5.el work fine for me.
> (Without the `eval-and-compile', it was uncompilable in any Emacs 24.x.)
>
> Since it uses eg `set-difference', IMO it should in any case explicitly
> require cl and not rely on its other dependencies pulling it in.
>
> *** csharp-mode-0.8.5.el.ORIG 2014-11-25 14:32:22.001787092 -0800
> --- csharp-mode-0.8.5.el 2014-11-25 14:31:13.608157922 -0800
> ***************
> *** 379,384 ****
> --- 379,385 ----
> ;; 0.8.6 DPC 2011 May ??
> ;; -
>
> + (eval-when-compile (require 'cl))
>
> (require 'cc-mode)
>
> ***************
> *** 472,477 ****
> --- 473,479 ----
> "Regex for matching directive blocks in ASP.NET files (.aspx, .ashx,
> .ascx)")
>
>
> + (eval-and-compile
> (defconst csharp-enum-decl-re
> (concat
> "\\<enum[ \t\n\r\f\v]+"
> ***************
> *** 484,490 ****
> "\\)"
> "\\)?")
> "Regex that captures an enum declaration in C#"
> ! )
>
> ;; ==================================================================
>
> --- 486,492 ----
> "\\)"
> "\\)?")
> "Regex that captures an enum declaration in C#"
> ! ))
>
> ;; ==================================================================
>
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-11-26 8:22 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
@ 2014-11-26 14:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-27 9:58 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2014-11-26 16:47 ` Glenn Morris
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2014-11-26 14:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jostein Kjønigsen; +Cc: Alan Mackenzie, emacs-devel, jostein
> This means that some changes in core emacs now breaks derived c-modes.
We don't disagree it's a bug in Emacs-24.4. We're just pointing out how
to work around it.
> Wouldn't it be better to have this fixed in the -official- Emacs version
> being distrubuted from the GNU website? If building Emacs from source
> (master-branch) right now, the issue is already fixed. We might just
> need a new build and that's it.
It's not just "a new build" but a new *release*.
Stefan
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-11-26 8:22 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2014-11-26 14:23 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2014-11-26 16:47 ` Glenn Morris
2014-11-26 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2014-11-26 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: jostein; +Cc: emacs-devel
Jostein Kjønigsen wrote:
> While I can work aroud this bug by this patch or a similar, I think it's
> worth noting that csharp-mode worked fine prior to Emacs 24.4.
As I noted, for me it fails to compile in any Emacs 24.x.
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-11-26 16:47 ` Glenn Morris
@ 2014-11-26 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-26 21:34 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2014-11-26 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: jostein, emacs-devel
>> While I can work aroud this bug by this patch or a similar, I think it's
>> worth noting that csharp-mode worked fine prior to Emacs 24.4.
> As I noted, for me it fails to compile in any Emacs 24.x.
Experience shows that lots and lots of people don't compile
their packages. Even the package's own authors often don't byte-compile
the package on which they work.
Stefan :-(
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-11-26 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2014-11-26 21:34 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2014-11-26 21:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: jostein, emacs-devel
> Experience shows that lots and lots of people don't compile their
> packages. Even the package's own authors often don't byte-compile the
> package on which they work.
Maybe one way to improve this situation is to get flymake.el to be
enabled by default in Elisp buffers.
Stefan
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-11-26 14:23 ` Stefan Monnier
@ 2014-11-27 9:58 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2014-11-27 17:09 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Jostein Kjønigsen @ 2014-11-27 9:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Monnier; +Cc: Alan Mackenzie, emacs-devel
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014, at 03:23 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> We don't disagree it's a bug in Emacs-24.4. We're just pointing out how
> to work around it.
>
> It's not just "a new build" but a new *release*.
>
>
> Stefan
Fair enough. Since csharp-mode seemed utterly dead (no changes on Google
code since 2011, lots of abandoned issues), I've converted and forked
the repo and put it on Github:
https://github.com/josteink/csharp-mode/
I've applied the fix there, and will contact the relevant package-repo's
for change of package-ownership for csharp-mode and get a publishing
pipeline set up.
Which I guess settles the issue for me.
--
Jostein Kjønigsen
jostein@kjonigsen.net / jostein@secure.kjonigsen.net
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* Re: cl-macro-expandall symbol definition is void
2014-11-27 9:58 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
@ 2014-11-27 17:09 ` Stefan Monnier
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Monnier @ 2014-11-27 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jostein Kjønigsen; +Cc: Alan Mackenzie, jostein, emacs-devel
> Fair enough. Since csharp-mode seemed utterly dead (no changes on Google
> code since 2011, lots of abandoned issues), I've converted and forked
> the repo and put it on Github:
> https://github.com/josteink/csharp-mode/
It would be good to get copyright paperwork for it and to move it into
GNU ELPA.
Stefan
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