From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:39:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <55826FFA.2040907@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434681576 21295 80.91.229.3 (19 Jun 2015 02:39:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 02:39:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, Paul Eggert , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 19 04:39:28 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5mDG-0004BQ-5Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 04:39:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55602 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5mDF-0003v5-6w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:39:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54241) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5mDC-0003uz-L1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:39:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5mD9-0003QW-Ev for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:39:22 -0400 Original-Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181]:10917) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5mD9-0003PG-B5; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:39:19 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CVDQA731xV//lyoWxcgxCEAsEVh0sEAgKBPDoTAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIxALDiYSFBgNJIg3CM8jAQEBBwIBH4s6hQUHhC0BBLM/gUUjhBQigngBAQE X-IPAS-Result: A0CVDQA731xV//lyoWxcgxCEAsEVh0sEAgKBPDoTAQEBAQEBAYEKQQWDXQEBAwFWIxALDiYSFBgNJIg3CM8jAQEBBwIBH4s6hQUHhC0BBLM/gUUjhBQigngBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,465,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="127314242" Original-Received: from 108-161-114-249.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([108.161.114.249]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 18 Jun 2015 22:39:17 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 674786610A; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 22:39:17 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <55826FFA.2040907@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Thu, 18 Jun 2015 10:15:06 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 206.248.154.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187299 Archived-At: >> Good point. Instead they use some kind of escaping convention so as to >> avoid ambiguity. We could try that. > And we already do! > We use `\\=', as documented in `substitute-command-keys'. Several problems: - it's butt-ugly. - I can never remember it (why can't we use a standard quoting convention). - The ambiguity shows up not only in the source docstring, but also in the *formatted* docstring after this quoting has been removed (e.g. regexp to recognize `...' xrefs and highlight them). - Same ambiguity shows up in other formatted outputs (e.g. Info files). IOW there are various places where `...' is used and some of them offer some kind of quoting while others don't. Stefan