From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Installing binaries with package.el Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:39:15 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3fdcbe78-969e-f9e1-2a9d-a5f8494c35b3@mit.edu> <8760kmtvpu.fsf@mbork.pl> <35ae3a71-f8da-3405-6966-38337d8e74e0@gmail.com> <871svatqh0.fsf@mbork.pl> <76433d89-f381-b805-4501-c9c8b8f7a275@gmail.com> <87d1euniog.fsf@flea> <877f51oklv.fsf@flea> <87a89vmj3a.fsf@flea> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486662993 7581 195.159.176.226 (9 Feb 2017 17:56:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 17:56:33 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 09 18:56:29 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cbsxH-0001dx-A7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:56:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39476 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbsxN-0006Va-2C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:56:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38926) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbsgt-0000n3-HJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:39:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbsgq-0006Hl-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:39:31 -0500 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=58685 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cbsgq-0006HL-4M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 12:39:28 -0500 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cbsge-0007jy-8U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2017 18:39:16 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 25 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:3ujRZILCcVWDG8N0buvCqL7WU0E= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:212173 Archived-At: > If Debian will keep track of package dependencies, and we are not so > worried about other platforms (expecting them to match Debian's > approach), and we're satisfied that their approach resolves the issues > I've brought up (OS package dependencies and dynload module/general > binary distribution), then it's a lot less important to have > dependencies on OS packages in ELPA packages or to provide any binaries > (the two ELPA features I've proposed so far). You mean "if we assume that dynload modules will be installed via apt/yum rather than via package.el"? Indeed, I expect that this will end up being fairly common (since even if you already have a C compiler installed, it's likely you'll need to have to install some libfoo-dev package to get the module to compile). > If we agree on that, then ELPA packages of dynload modules only have to > support local compilation for developers. But I think that the case of non-developers installing via package.el should be considered important as well. We probably won't be able to provide as smooth a solution for them as `apt-get` or `yum`, but they deserve some efforts on our part. Stefan