From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:29:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87fud4j9pw.fsf@holos> <874ltfw55v.fsf@holos> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1502400593 9050 195.159.176.226 (10 Aug 2017 21:29:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 21:29:53 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 10 23:29:48 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv1X-00023o-LV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:29:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55383 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv1d-0007GT-Vb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:29:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40613) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv13-0007GN-Ml for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:29:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv0z-0000ma-6D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:29:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=57476 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv0y-0000mH-WF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:29:13 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dfv0p-0007zT-5h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2017 23:29:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:45Ay8hmsizjT9JaYA9dQu6HHdkI= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:217401 Archived-At: >>> - subverts `package-load-list' settings >> I don't know what this problem is. > package-load-list controls which autoload files for installed packages > get loaded. Setting it in init.el works until package.el clobbers > the init file, putting package-initialize first. I see. I doubt this corner case affects many people, since I think users who mess with package-load-list are likely to have a .emacs complex enough that it already includes a call to package-initialize. In any case it's a one-time problem. >>> - breaks setting of package-archives that would normally happen before >>> calling `package-initialize' >> How so? > Same as above Indeed. Stefan