From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: macOS support Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:31:29 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83fu4tjmdv.fsf@gnu.org> <20180321191903.GA38993@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <83d0zxjk5p.fsf@gnu.org> <20180321201234.GA39094@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <834ll8k1tx.fsf@gnu.org> <83po3whzln.fsf@gnu.org> <20180323195210.GA41757@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <20180323214705.GA41855@breton.holly.idiocy.org> <83r2oagevx.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1522016986 22798 195.159.176.226 (25 Mar 2018 22:29:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 22:29:46 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 26 00:29:42 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f0E8z-0005rX-Ka for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 00:29:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52756 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f0EB3-0005E6-1r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:31:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48867) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f0EAw-0005Bs-7n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:31:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f0EAs-0001MV-1A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:31:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=47081 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f0EAr-0001Lk-Qo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:31:37 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f0E8l-0005fA-Of for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Mar 2018 00:29:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 19 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:YGwBFuisjkgi0cjEVCdn72zofp4= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224021 Archived-At: > suiggesting we immediately drop support for earlier versions, but 10.6 was > released in 2009 - a 9 to 10 year backwards compatibility is probably > excessive - 5 years would probably be a better target. As a user of one of those machines which are only supported upto OSX 10.6 (a 2006 macmini), I'm split on this one: - on the one hand, I strongly disagree with Apple and the rest of the industry who wants to force users to keep buying new machines, even tho the old ones would still do the job just fine. So I'd rather that Emacs doesn't encourage its users to buy a new machine just because we don't support their version of OSX any more. - on the other, I of course don't use OSX but Debian on that machine, and find it actually supports the hardware better than OSX ever has (e.g. I can use both the VGA and the DVI output at the same time). So I strongly encourage those users who think they're stuck with OSX 10.6 to upgrade to a Free operating system. -- Stefan