From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: The importance of secrecy (was: EWW improvements: open in new buffer, tags, quickmarks, search engines, ...) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:57:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87zi23bg67.fsf@gmail.com> <87efjd3alj.fsf@gmail.com> <878t9dw3it.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1524592562 28251 195.159.176.226 (24 Apr 2018 17:56:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:56:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 24 19:55:58 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fB2AV-00079i-R9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:55:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60064 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB2Cb-0006Wt-4l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:58:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35874) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB2C1-0006Wc-Id for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:57:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB2Bw-0005sW-G8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:57:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=42371 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fB2Bw-0005rq-9V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:57:24 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fB29m-0006Nv-Ph for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:55:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 16 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:j2yOR3D/+GcnCSthnKt5sNwvyrY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224836 Archived-At: > There's a privacy issue here, though, so it should be possible to switch > it off. And perhaps eww should have a porn, I mean anonymous, mode BTW, I think using "porn" as a humorous justification for secrecy is detrimental since it promotes the view that secrecy is only used for objectionable activities, along the lines of "I don't need secrecy because I have nothing to hide". The recent Cambridge Analytica blip (it seems to have already disappeared from the media, sadly) is a prime example of why "no-secrecy" ultimately means "no democracy" or "no power". Stefan "who does realize that EWW's history probably won't be shared on Facebook, so maybe he didn't choose the best moment to bring up this general issue"