From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35351: 27.0.50; Enable derived modes to run their own very-early 'change-major-mode-hook' code Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:59:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <85237c18-768d-089b-221a-fe70b0ba4379@orcon.net.nz> <7db75b50-1925-8c1e-acc5-c393b701e6a3@orcon.net.nz> <3a0b9268-4800-1513-8422-065a74bb6b36@orcon.net.nz> <1c020e77-3a71-4b84-c15d-752062b8b8db@orcon.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="177575"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 35351@debbugs.gnu.org To: Phil Sainty Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 23 14:00:19 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hIu5z-000k3F-2n for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:00:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52513 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIu5w-0005jq-T3 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:00:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44444) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIu5o-0005iM-QZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:00:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIu5j-0004kO-Ti for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:00:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39071) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIu5j-0004kE-Pv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:00:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hIu5i-00050H-0x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:00:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:00:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35351 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 35351-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35351.155602080019199 (code B ref 35351); Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:00:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35351) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Apr 2019 12:00:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52615 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hIu5g-0004za-3P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:00:00 -0400 Original-Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:40960) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hIu5d-0004zQ-J7 for 35351@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: from ceviche.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.7/8.14.1) with ESMTP id x3NBxrYN010074; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 071CB66184; Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:59:51 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <1c020e77-3a71-4b84-c15d-752062b8b8db@orcon.net.nz> (Phil Sainty's message of "Tue, 23 Apr 2019 15:52:18 +1200") X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, RV6531=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6531> : inlines <7058> : streams <1819491> : uri <2836081> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:158123 Archived-At: > which does not require quoting), but I'm also not terribly happy with > "before-hook", as I now feel it's quite ambiguous. While "before-hook" may not be perfect, it has the very definitive advantage of matching the existing "after-hook", so we should go with that. If/when we find a better naming scheme for those two, we can consider renaming them, but that itself comes with non-negligible disadvantages, so we're probably better off living with the existing "suboptimal" names. More important would be to make sure that the new semantics covers most of the existing needs. Stefan