From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: But then what are namespaces ? Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 17:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87a6jt7ilx.fsf@web.de> <87fstlzlaq.fsf@gmail.com> <20211001070242.GC16352@tuxteam.de> <1dd5e2c1f42bce50dc26@heytings.org> <6969a83a74f7bebe69f2@heytings.org> <6969a83a74b57d3d7839@heytings.org> <6969a83a7447c1963410@heytings.org> <6969a83a74ab69ebd555@heytings.org> <6969a83a74f286a96423@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28189"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: =?windows-1252?B?Sm/jbyBU4XZvcmE=?= , tomas@tuxteam.de, Stefan Kangas , Dmitry Gutov , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 23:07:05 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWmDo-00075o-6g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 23:07:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48672 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWmDm-0007sC-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 17:07:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39108) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWmCo-000702-EZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 17:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:24992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWmCk-0000db-PS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 17:06:00 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4F82F10038B; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 81CCF10018B; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:05:50 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1633208750; bh=3ZlFnbyE2qfaCCu2rg6XZ/MQzTgwfZNI+UXbb3iOpOo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=BMWUrgMUjF0jUYOzOx5GM2VGiBkkMNYesCZSxVY+NZgfGT869Fv4E4N/8T1ouHAVi RO/8vus9epth3bHChSbpe5ZaX9bo30u4GpDoGuBzBM8g7kSubhtaIKG6XdiretUSzv DSLhpTJDJ0w8sboFzgckwW7sclA8OpdGRTNVbgxlw62mvmII2vzS7kUSDQ46BLpyFT W6FesuUKF3Wl8Vupzlc9Sa9To3Z1VGyW00d71+tDz3+aCPIT0uToWQMDPtiA+Kckuh 0rS+2rt2EsYzIeN2UWPBU98WAZWebE9UKia3Yq8L2IyDCi/W9JSuQhLH4pMmoRTkge t+e4XeGxsMU9w== Original-Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.241.23]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3958512034A; Sat, 2 Oct 2021 17:05:50 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <6969a83a74f286a96423@heytings.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Sat, 02 Oct 2021 20:41:28 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276083 Archived-At: > (I'm not sure what you mean by "many/most", I at least don't know > languages with namespaces that use a different strategy.) Some languages take extra steps to try and avoid relying on a unique global namespace, and rely instead exclusively on relative names. See https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/325478.325518 for instance. Whether that can be considered as having a unique global namespace or not is somewhat philosophical, admittedly (and the abstract itself suggests the authors aren't sure either ;-) Stefan