From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2022 16:26:30 -0400 Message-ID: References: <164484721900.31751.1453162457552427931@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87pmer0xtz.fsf@posteo.net> <83wn8z2aze.fsf@gnu.org> <878rle1i0k.fsf@posteo.net> <87ilkelc10.fsf@posteo.net> <878rl6syg8.fsf@posteo.net> <87zgdjqcu0.fsf@posteo.net> <87zgdivc3f.fsf@posteo.net> <874jvqv2u3.fsf@posteo.net> <875yg6qtbl.fsf@posteo.net> <83leoubj9p.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33613"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rms@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 01 21:27:15 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1opxqs-0008ZE-AO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2022 21:27:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1opxqJ-0001XN-V7; Tue, 01 Nov 2022 16:26:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1opxqI-0001Wn-NQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2022 16:26:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1opxqH-0003RC-1R; Tue, 01 Nov 2022 16:26:38 -0400 Original-Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6FA96441876; Tue, 1 Nov 2022 16:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DEEC744175E; Tue, 1 Nov 2022 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1667334391; bh=qakmM1TYu5njXEJjP7IpHSY50MuZqh52RR5PXw/vgrQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=cHe9YCP6rqa7VwP+z2+to76wmBlWIMrZFCshAc2q55i0tWN918p5L8bl9mhIOojCd hlIlKoj02CvS0SDjNevEl+sFQ1m5OJAvgZfmLBVqkFkmF3UGiqgEFHiUWRRuH+EtsV t/KThrZflXosbpjvgHo+2i+N0X9xo1nqMy/CaoRqI+WqZU2bTJUfdZOJH+PadVAzhG 31ffIGXH1BWNIQ8MNxrUTzjF+0M+O/Uqobk56Rzj7dC6Sd87Wi6+PPE2xDnxGNGrti i/ho5F9E9xVxBYss5sU+4+W5YMqG+sU9oaVNnBpq+9k/WZdxnrBuKx/qrioWtecIT4 uvBYxwpAjExxw== Original-Received: from lechazo (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C7401121033; Tue, 1 Nov 2022 16:26:31 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 1 Nov 2022 20:26:11 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=132.204.25.50; envelope-from=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca; helo=mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298977 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas [2022-11-01 20:26:11] wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > Are there any GNU packages for Emacs that still use CVS? If >> > yes, why don't they use Git? >> >> Again, not relevant. package-vc should support all the VCS backends >> that VC supports, for as long as Emacs supports that VCS in general. > > Of course it is relevant. AFAIU, Stefan M argued that it's *not very > important*, not that it shouldn't be supported at all. To determine > if it is important or not, the questions I asked are exactly the ones > that need to be answered. It goes further that that, by the way: the few times I have to interact with an Hg or Bzr repository, I don't use Hg or Bzr, I use Git. Back when I was using Bzr instead, I did the same: I used Bzr to access Svn, Hg, and Git repositories. [ Some tools go even a step further and decouple the tool used locally from the format used locally, so you can use the Brz tool on a local Git clone IIUC. ] So `package-vc` doesn't need to support all VCS because we can rely on bridges to decouple the tool used locally from the format of the repository (tho, those adapters/bridges tend to be a bit fiddly, admittedly). > Actually, I could rephrase it: Is there any Emacs Lisp package out > there that use CVS? I don't know of any, myself. Good question. I don't think there's any such thing in MELPA, at least :-) The only non-Git repositories I know of are either Hg or Bzr. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some package stored in Svn somewhere, tho. Stefan