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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
Cc: Heime <heimeborgia@protonmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	65459@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#65459: completing-read INITIAL-VALUE unaware of COLLECTION and REQUIRE-MATCH
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2023 09:46:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv1qfs5zol.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bb9dca5367728509e290@heytings.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:30:51 +0000")

>>> (defun my-completing-read (prompt collection start)
>>>   (minibuffer-with-setup-hook
>>>       (:append
>>>        (lambda ()
>>>          (setq-local actual-minibuffer-default-add-function
>>>                      minibuffer-default-add-function)
>>>          (setq-local minibuffer-default-add-function
>>>                      '(lambda () (setq minibuffer-default-add-done nil)
>>>                         (funcall actual-minibuffer-default-add-function)))
>>
>> Why use ' on `lambda`?
>>
>
> I think my finger slipped.
>
>>
>> BTW, rather than the above two `setq-local`s, I think you can write:
>>
>>    (add-function :before (local 'minibuffer-default-add-function)
>>                  (lambda () (setq minibuffer-default-add-done nil)))
>>
>
> Right.  I was writing that function as it if were for minibuffer.el, and was
> therefore avoiding advices.  But now I see that there are a couple of
> add-function in core anyway (it's not clear to me where the dividing line
> is).  So here's the final version:

The issue is not "don't use `(n)advice.el`", but "don't modify functions
on the sly".  And by "functions" this refers to those things stored in
the `symbol-function` slot of symbols in the global obarray.  This is
because code that does `(my-foo ...)` usually expects to execute the
code found in `(defun my-foo ...)` and not something else, and readers
of that code often make the same assumption, so it can make debugging
really nasty.

Changing a function with `fset` (or `cl-letf` or `defalias`) is worse
than using `advice-add`, for that reason: at least `advice-add` sets up
the help system such that `C-h f` will (hopefully) warn you about the
presence of an advice.

For variables containing functions (such as
`minibuffer-default-add-function`), there is no such expectation that
calling this function will run some known piece of code, on the
contrary: the whole point of the variable is to run difference pieces of
code in different contexts, so modifying the function is perfectly OK,
regardless whether you do it with `setq` or `add-function`.  Here I'd
use `add-function` because it's simpler.


        Stefan






  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-24 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-22 22:04 bug#65459: completing-read INITIAL-VALUE unaware of COLLECTION and REQUIRE-MATCH Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-23 11:57   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 13:07     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 15:29       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 16:05         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 16:39           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 16:58             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 18:12               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 21:27                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-23 22:44                   ` Drew Adams
2023-08-23 23:06                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-24  2:30                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 12:30                       ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-24 13:19                         ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-25  6:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2023-08-24 13:46                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2023-08-26  8:06                           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-31  9:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-04 21:35                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-04 22:16                               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-05 11:05                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-05 12:59                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-09-05 13:14                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-24  9:02                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 13:36                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 14:51                       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 16:45                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 18:50                           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 19:35                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 20:22                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 21:02                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-24 21:45                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-26  8:10                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-26 14:27                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27  6:45                                       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 14:40                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:21                                           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:26                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:35                                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 18:01                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 21:11                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 21:48                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 22:59                                                       ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28  3:12                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28  9:14                                                           ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 12:44                                                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 12:50                                                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 13:04                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-28 13:13                                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 16:42                                               ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 18:02                                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 20:54                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-08-27 21:26                                                   ` Heime via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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