From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>,
"Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>,
eller.helmut@gmail.com
Subject: Re: MPS: dangling markers
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 17:24:26 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv1q4i3x9a.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v81u85hv.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:01:32 +0000")
> - perf points to (1) itree lookup; (2) bytepos<->charpos, which implies
> that things may be related to the number of allocated markers and
> overlays.
> - I observe things slowing down as the number of "PVEC_MARKER" in the
> output of `igc-info' grows.
> - Forcing (igc--collect) returns speed to normal
[...]
> AFAIK, at least overlays, buffers, and markers are used in C code within
> object lists/trees are often traversed in full. If objects in these
> lists are not regularly garbage-collected, we may end up in situation
> when dead objects significantly impact performance.
AFAIK, markers are the only one that can be reachable (i.e. we may
spend time looking at them) yet GC-able, because the buffers' `markers`
slot contains a linked-list of all markers that's treated specially by
the GC (basically, the list is "weak" so markers get removed from this
list during GC if the marker is reachable only from the list).
[ Of course, similar things can occur with other objects via our weak
hash table. And there are a few other "background cleanups" we do in
GC (such as resizing gaps or truncating undo logs) which could be
impacted as well. ]
So I'm not surprised by your point (2) above, but I don't have an
explanation for your point (1), OTOH.
BTW, a lof of C and ELisp code is careful to delete markers after their
use, so I suspect that a large proportion of the "dead" markers that can
accumulate in the list of markers are those created by the chars<->bytes
conversion code (as a memoization cache), and we should be able to
decouple their collection from the GC by simply adding a bit that says
this is just a cached result of a previous chars<->bytes conversion,
rather than a true marker object, and then we could have a "background
task" that flushes them as needed.
Stefan
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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-06-27 21:01 MPS: dangling markers Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-27 21:24 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2024-06-28 4:14 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-28 16:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 16:47 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-28 16:52 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 16:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-28 17:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 17:44 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 3:57 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 14:34 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 14:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 17:09 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 17:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:19 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 19:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 21:50 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 22:33 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 4:41 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 6:56 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 9:51 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 11:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:54 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 13:15 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 19:02 ` Pip Cet
2024-06-30 19:22 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 20:15 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 4:22 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 17:14 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 18:20 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 19:04 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-01 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 19:43 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-01 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-01 21:08 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-02 11:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-03 18:46 ` Pip Cet
2024-07-03 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 22:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-30 5:02 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 5:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 15:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-30 5:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 4:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-30 5:36 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 17:19 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 18:05 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:17 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-29 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 18:04 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 17:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-29 18:12 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-29 18:52 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 21:20 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-29 21:38 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 7:11 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 7:27 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 7:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 10:44 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 11:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 11:25 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 11:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:13 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:28 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 12:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 15:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-30 15:32 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-06-30 12:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-29 15:17 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-28 4:07 ` Gerd Möllmann
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