From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help,gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: Re: emacs-19.34 segfaults when built with Xfree 4.3.0(glibc2.3.x,gcc 3.2) Date: 12 May 2003 16:36:42 -0400 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <3EBFB256.4000504@yahoo.co.uk> <3EBFC7DE.1000502@yahoo.co.uk> <3EBFDF38.3050201@yahoo.co.uk> <3EBFEF68.6050202@yahoo.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1052771884 6079 80.91.224.249 (12 May 2003 20:38:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: samuel@ma.hw.ac.uk Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 12 22:38:00 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19FK3c-0001ZO-00 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 22:38:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FK4T-0006CW-00 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 May 2003 16:38:53 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FK3q-0005Qe-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 May 2003 16:38:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FK3J-0004Uz-00 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 May 2003 16:37:42 -0400 Original-Received: from colo.agora-net.com ([207.245.84.69]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 19FK2O-0003Ub-00; Mon, 12 May 2003 16:36:44 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by colo.agora-net.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 19FK2M-0003Ct-00; Mon, 12 May 2003 16:36:42 -0400 Original-To: Hin-Tak Leung In-Reply-To: Hin-Tak Leung's message of "Mon, 12 May 2003 20:00:56 +0100" Original-Lines: 39 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Original-cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:9627 gmane.emacs.bugs:5031 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:5031 Hin-Tak Leung writes: (Sigh). I would have been a lot happier if one of you had replied with "get me a gdb back strace" than having to digress to lengthy philosphical discussion on reasons to use an older version, or resorting to foul languages. although it is encouraging that you know yourself well enough to say this, i confess to not feeling comfortable ordering you about like an employee. these lengthy discussions surely would be better replaced by some concrete information (as "concrete" as information can be ;-), it seems you're saying. the reasons for using this version (or any version for that matter) are not really germaine to debugging the problem, you also note. As I said, I would prefer a "yes" or "no" to the gdb debug question. It isn't to difficult to answer either: (1) "possibly, depending on how deep the problem is; can't promise" (2) "Sorry no, no eperience with gdb whatsoever" what if some people on the list respond (1) and some people respond (2) -- what have you gained and/or lost by this exercise? But you are trying to draw into philosophical discussion again. (I guess that's still better than the "get a f*cking life" or "cheeky f*cker" replies) a personal quirk, no doubt: all discussion is philosophical to me, even those involving hard bits of free software artifact (both pre- and post- core dump ;-). If I had sounded impatient, I had not resort to verbal violence as some others did. sometimes the sudden move is easy to interpret as both violent and beautiful, and sometimes funny and sometimes sad. where there is room for interpretation there is room for misunderstanding (and bugs!). thi