From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cc-mode adds newlines Date: 21 Nov 2004 10:54:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20041119231343.GA19603@apps.cwi.nl> <20041121020850.GA20436@apps.cwi.nl> <20041121113801.GC20436@apps.cwi.nl> <20041121130022.GH20436@apps.cwi.nl> <20041121133511.GK20436@apps.cwi.nl> <20041121135448.GM20436@apps.cwi.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1101052484 18840 80.91.229.6 (21 Nov 2004 15:54:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 21 16:54:37 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CVu2u-0004qv-00 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 16:54:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CVuBu-0007vN-0P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:03:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CVuBn-0007vC-J0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:03:47 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CVuBm-0007un-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:03:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CVuBm-0007uk-Mr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:03:46 -0500 Original-Received: from [207.245.121.140] (helo=colo.agora-net.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.34) id 1CVu2c-0001Aa-6P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:54:18 -0500 Original-Received: from ttn by colo.agora-net.com with local (Exim 4.41) id 1CVu2b-0001vs-LU; Sun, 21 Nov 2004 10:54:17 -0500 Original-To: Andries Brouwer In-Reply-To: Andries Brouwer's message of "Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:54:48 +0100" Original-Lines: 31 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:30189 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:30189 Andries Brouwer writes: New variables should be introduced only when they offer an important new choice. the verbosity produced (or induced) by this topic indicates to me that there is lots of importance involved. either the importance is recognized and codified (even if awkwardly), or the importance is glossed over to re-emerge as bug reports. if you would characterize your observations as a bug-report, i think it is reasonable and responsible to describe to you the mechanisms you can use to achieve the desired behavior. if you would, on the other hand, characterize your observations as advice on how to design things, pointers to past discussion would also be appropriate. i see these kinds of responses, so it seems to me people are acting well. i think you have good ideas but it seems you do not accept that after a certain point, goodness is measured in many more ways than simply those that are based on the ideal. (this is fortunate for people who grow more ugly w/ age, like me. ;-) lthough it is a lot to ask, perhaps when the next issue comes along, could you involve yourself early on, so that what good advice you have to share has the best prospects of finding traction? thi