From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: yet another todo editing system Date: 08 Jun 2003 06:37:04 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <16098.1698.415992.223606@nick.uklinux.net> <1055004206.1439.12.camel@lan1> <20030607210527.GA20914@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055068549 10102 80.91.224.249 (8 Jun 2003 10:35:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 10:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 08 12:35:47 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19OxWd-0002ci-00 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:35:47 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19Oxq7-0005jX-00 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 12:55:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OxYq-0003II-H5 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 06:38:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OxYL-0003Cx-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 06:37:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OxY7-0002qn-EB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 06:37:21 -0400 Original-Received: from colo.agora-net.com ([207.245.84.69]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OxXt-0002Yn-Bo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 06:37:05 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by colo.agora-net.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1) id 19OxXs-0000nR-00; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 06:37:04 -0400 Original-To: Joe Corneli In-Reply-To: Joe Corneli's message of "Sun, 08 Jun 2003 03:52:26 -0500" Original-Lines: 32 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14912 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14912 Joe Corneli writes: Besides, I thought it worth mentioning what I've been working on! I'd be more than happy to supply a more detailed analysis of how I think it might fit into Emacs. certainly it is worth mentioning, anything is like that in passing. whether or not it is worth "selling" (which is the process you are embarking on) is another question, one for which you cannot reliably receive feedback from others especially if they haven't seen the goods! (here, "goods" includes comparison of spiffy-new w/ plain-old-previous.) back in my more entrepreneurial daze i saw a lot of this "will you fund development of ?" happening (between company founders and venture capitalists basically). it worked to a large extent in that context where the people w/ money didn't really understand the technical realities (and only rarely understood the social, political and market realities) of the hypothesis, but has less traction in the free software world, where at least you can be assured of some level of technical competence (although let me be the first to serve as a glaring counter example ;-). so, although i was about to rail against gating one's actions w/ external motivators, i suppose it's not a bad way after all, and will thus simplify my point to be: the sooner you get technical, the less verbiage (like this post) you'll have to wade through and discard to get to valuable feedback. a variant of "just do it", if you will. thi