From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [comp.emacs] "Emacs" defined in Collins English Dictionary Date: 14 Jun 2005 20:00:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8764whreme.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <17070.64885.595664.420752@mail.eng.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118793566 23474 80.91.229.2 (14 Jun 2005 23:59:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 23:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: thomas.widmann@harpercollins.co.uk, saint@eng.it, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 15 01:59:24 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiLJO-00073e-9K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2005 01:59:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiLOU-0000qP-Kv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:04:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiLNm-0000Xu-Jb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:03:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DiLNi-0000Ul-Jy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:03:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DiLNi-0000UF-95 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:03:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [207.245.121.138] (helo=mail.agora-net.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1DiLM2-0000j3-Um for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:02:03 -0400 Original-Received: from ttn by mail.agora-net.com with local (Exim 4.34) id 1DiLKH-0003gT-3s; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:00:13 -0400 Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38845 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38845 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > As written, the definition misleads people into thinking that Emacs > falls into the same category as VI or Notepad. emacs seeps into every nook and cranny, first explicitly changing named bits locally, then meta-bits locally, then any bits outside of itself anywhere, then any bits including itself, then finally the perception of all those bits by its users, whether or not any external change is actually involved. people who don't understand this initially do so eventually, although they may not understand their understanding. every motion achieves change (surprisingly :-). thi