From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: joaotavora@gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_T=E1vora?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:32:23 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417703588 2872 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2014 14:33:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 04 15:32:56 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XwXSh-0004p7-Q1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:32:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46175 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwXSh-00051Z-EB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:32:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwXSP-00051M-Mp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:32:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwXSK-0005DV-0I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:32:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]:58938) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XwXSJ-0005BT-R4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:32:31 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f174.google.com with SMTP id h11so34986229wiw.1 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 06:32:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=al6HTv2n16j6BHkAM7xTW3xsjX3TksvG2KWl7b0w05Y=; b=DvjY5O1jqx6+yec+dPqphbjR2VCyQk1H59Xoq92DiXsVMNMYn+5yu7KBAPoZQ2j96b 8mPIeJK6SDha3p3Jg/3v1kXA2FW9rGVUOrcApgA5r5wDZu5FTi8d0XOzP4xIqKBFBrBp Q3riAFI7LuX+Gt7PK9mN4xjQHvS6j2cOAdLb8UbO6r8ve4O8AcJvYH+hMuRH63L6RAXS ng1mNRUXzEFeYhfP/iMrCp8IPlotGdmq2LNci0G9wj8O4yMABrHU8rkpMBzrihqXrMQj ha/+FWN19yvm0dCbsYnXECCeihgTdwqKXDwvlA0UXhIu0bkokRaV8m0DHpzo+2Q5HbTK WYNQ== X-Received: by 10.194.190.19 with SMTP id gm19mr16265325wjc.51.1417703550147; Thu, 04 Dec 2014 06:32:30 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from GONDOMAR.yourcompany.com (53.236.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt. [93.108.236.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vm8sm40742739wjc.6.2014.12.04.06.32.28 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 04 Dec 2014 06:32:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Thu, 04 Dec 2014 13:58:55 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (windows-nt) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178824 Archived-At: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: > Cheesy as it sounds, perhaps, what is needed is "mentors". So, someone > wants to fix something or change something about Emacs, they get a short > term mentor to help them through the process (both at a code level, and > at a rules of community level). So, the first piece of advice in > contribute wouldn't be "do this, do that", it would be "think of a > problem, ask for a mentor". +1 to this. In every software project I've worked on, some form of mentorship has proven essential in every first-time contribution. Including projects that I started, and including Emacs (thanks Stefan!). Jo=E3o