broken greek support?

broken greek support?

[Werner LEMBERG]

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[CVS 2003-09-23]

With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7, many
characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6, etc.
What has happened here?

Additionally, look at the `Bx' row: In spite of using a monospaced
font, the glyphs are gradually shifted to the right.


    Werner

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Re: broken greek support?

[Andreas Schwab]

Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:

> [CVS 2003-09-23]
>
> With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7, many
> characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6, etc.
> What has happened here?

The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken.  Don't use them.

Andreas.

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Re: broken greek support?

[Werner LEMBERG]

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> > With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7,
> > many characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6,
> > etc.  What has happened here?
> 
> The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken.  Don't use them.

Indeed.  I haven't known that.  Anyway, look at the attached image of
an ETL font.  Here I *definitely* know that the font is correct :-)

Within `emacs -q' I did

  (defvar fontset-24
    "-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-24")
  (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec fontset-24)

to set up the font.


    Werner

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Re: broken greek support?

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <20030928.063915.240498167.wl@gnu.org>, Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:
>>  The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken.  Don't use them.

> Indeed.  I haven't known that.  Anyway, look at the attached image of
> an ETL font.  Here I *definitely* know that the font is correct :-)

> Within `emacs -q' I did

>   (defvar fontset-24
>     "-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-24")
>   (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec fontset-24)

> to set up the font.

Strange.  With the font
-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7, I
get the correct output from M-x list-charset-chars.

Please check which font is used for, for instance, 0xA2 by
C-u C-x =.

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Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

Re: broken greek support?

[Werner LEMBERG]

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> > Indeed.  I haven't known that.  Anyway, look at the attached image of
> > an ETL font.  Here I *definitely* know that the font is correct :-)
>
> > Within `emacs -q' I did
>
> >   (defvar fontset-24
> >     "-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-24")
> >   (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec fontset-24)
>
> > to set up the font.
>
> Strange.  With the font
> -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7, I
> get the correct output from M-x list-charset-chars.
>
> Please check which font is used for, for instance, 0xA2 by
> C-u C-x =.

See attached image.  I've just recompiled Emacs (with `make
bootstrap' from today's CVS).

For reference again my platform info is below.


    Werner

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  `uname -a' gives

    Linux orion 2.4.10-4GB #1 Tue Nov 20 21:34:46 CET 2001 i686 unknown

  `ldd emacs' gives

    libXaw3d.so.7 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so.7 (0x40016000)
    libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x4006d000)
    libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x40083000)
    libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x400d0000)
    libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x400da000)
    libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x400f2000)
    libtiff.so.3 => /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3 (0x4010d000)
    libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0x40150000)
    libpng.so.2 => /usr/lib/libpng.so.2 (0x4016f000)
    libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x401a1000)
    libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x401b0000)
    libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x401d2000)
    libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x401e1000)
    libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x402a1000)
    libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x402eb000)
    libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40412000)
    /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)

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Re: broken greek support?

[Kenichi Handa]

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In article <20030929.131753.41181942.wl@gnu.org>, Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:
> See attached image.  I've just recompiled Emacs (with `make
> bootstrap' from today's CVS).

Very strange.   Are you sure that your ETL greek font:
	-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7
has "single quote"-like glyph at 0xA2?

The result of my Emacs is as attached.

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Re: broken greek support?

[Andreas Schwab]

Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:

>> > Indeed.  I haven't known that.  Anyway, look at the attached image of
>> > an ETL font.  Here I *definitely* know that the font is correct :-)
>>
>> > Within `emacs -q' I did
>>
>> >   (defvar fontset-24
>> >     "-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-24")
>> >   (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec fontset-24)
>>
>> > to set up the font.
>>
>> Strange.  With the font
>> -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7, I
>> get the correct output from M-x list-charset-chars.
>>
>> Please check which font is used for, for instance, 0xA2 by
>> C-u C-x =.
>
> See attached image.  I've just recompiled Emacs (with `make
> bootstrap' from today's CVS).

Don't use -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
either, it's broken too.  Only the greek fonts that are part of the
intlfonts collection are working correctly.

(On a SuSE system, this font is part of the xfntgreek package.  Most of
the fonts included here are actually wrongly encoded, we should really
consider removing them.)

Andreas.

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Re: broken greek support?

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <jewubrkdka.fsf@sykes.suse.de>, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
>>>  Strange.  With the font
>>>  -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7, I
>>>  get the correct output from M-x list-charset-chars.
>>> 
>>>  Please check which font is used for, for instance, 0xA2 by
>>>  C-u C-x =.
>> 
>>  See attached image.  I've just recompiled Emacs (with `make
>>  bootstrap' from today's CVS).

> Don't use -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
> either, it's broken too.  Only the greek fonts that are part of the
> intlfonts collection are working correctly.

> (On a SuSE system, this font is part of the xfntgreek package.  Most of
> the fonts included here are actually wrongly encoded, we should really
> consider removing them.)

Oops, I now see.  I haven't notice the difference of font
names in Werner's and mine.

Intlfonts contains these Greek fonts:
	-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--14-140-72-72-C-70-ISO8859-7
	-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--16-160-72-72-C-80-ISO8859-7
	-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7
they are all correct.

Xfntgreek package contains this font:
	-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
which is different from any of intlfonts' fonts, and is broken.

Right?  :-(

Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
package in face-ignored-fonts?  Or, are there any chance
that the package is fixed soon?

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

Re: broken greek support?

[Andreas Schwab]

Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:

> Xfntgreek package contains this font:
> 	-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
> which is different from any of intlfonts' fonts, and is broken.
>
> Right?  :-(

Yes, unfortunately.

> Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
> package in face-ignored-fonts?

This would be the best fix, IMHO.

Andreas.

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Re: broken greek support?

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <jefzifk9x6.fsf@sykes.suse.de>, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:

> Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
>>  Xfntgreek package contains this font:
>>  	-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
>>  which is different from any of intlfonts' fonts, and is broken.
>> 
>>  Right?  :-(

> Yes, unfortunately.

>>  Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
>>  package in face-ignored-fonts?

> This would be the best fix, IMHO.

Ok, I'll do that.  Please give me the list of font names to
be registered in face-ignored-fonts.

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

Re: broken greek support?

[Andreas Schwab]

Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:

> In article <jefzifk9x6.fsf@sykes.suse.de>, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
>
>> Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
>>>  Xfntgreek package contains this font:
>>>  	-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
>>>  which is different from any of intlfonts' fonts, and is broken.
>>> 
>>>  Right?  :-(
>
>> Yes, unfortunately.
>
>>>  Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
>>>  package in face-ignored-fonts?
>
>> This would be the best fix, IMHO.
>
> Ok, I'll do that.  Please give me the list of font names to
> be registered in face-ignored-fonts.

These are all the broken fonts that are included in the package:

-adobe-couriergr-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-60-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-70-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--17-170-75-75-p-92-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-p-103-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--8-80-75-75-p-50-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-78-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-77-iso8859-7
-elot-fixed-bold-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-7
-elot-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-7
-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-7
-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-80-iso8859-7
-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-7
-graphis-grarial-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-graphis-grarial-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-graphis-grarial-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-graphis-grarial-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--12-120-75-75-p-69-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--12-120-75-75-p-69-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--18-180-75-75-p-104-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--18-180-75-75-p-104-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--24-240-75-75-p-138-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--24-240-75-75-p-138-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--37-360-75-75-p-220-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--37-360-75-75-p-220-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--50-480-75-75-p-292-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--50-480-75-75-p-292-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--66-640-75-75-p-390-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--66-640-75-75-p-390-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-60-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-60-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-70-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-70-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--17-170-75-75-p-92-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--17-170-75-75-p-92-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-p-103-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-p-103-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-138-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-138-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--37-360-75-75-p-211-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--37-360-75-75-p-211-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--50-480-75-75-p-297-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--50-480-75-75-p-297-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--66-640-75-75-p-396-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--66-640-75-75-p-396-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--8-80-75-75-p-50-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--8-80-75-75-p-50-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--10-100-75-75-p-60-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-p-67-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-p-67-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-78-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-78-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--18-180-75-75-p-98-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--18-180-75-75-p-98-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--24-240-75-75-p-130-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--24-240-75-75-p-130-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--37-360-75-75-p-209-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--37-360-75-75-p-209-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--50-480-75-75-p-279-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--50-480-75-75-p-279-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--66-640-75-75-p-371-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--66-640-75-75-p-371-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-57-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-67-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-67-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-77-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-77-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--18-180-75-75-p-98-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--18-180-75-75-p-98-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-130-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-130-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--37-360-75-75-p-215-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--37-360-75-75-p-215-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--50-480-75-75-p-286-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--50-480-75-75-p-286-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--66-640-75-75-p-382-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--66-640-75-75-p-382-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-r-normal--8-80-75-75-p-46-iso8859-7
-greek-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-normal-sans-12-1-75-75-m-89-iso8859-7
-greek-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-normal-sans-14-0-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-12-120-75-75-m-80-iso8859-7
-greek-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-14-14-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-grinet-greekarial-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greekarial-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greekarial-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greekarial-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greekcourier-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greekcourier-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greekcourier-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greekcourier-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-m-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greektimes-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greektimes-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greektimes-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-grinet-greektimes-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-65-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--11-80-100-100-p-72-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--12-120-75-75-p-72-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--14-100-100-100-p-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--15-140-75-75-p-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--17-120-100-100-p-109-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--17-160-75-75-p-109-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--19-140-100-100-p-126-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--19-180-75-75-p-117-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--21-200-75-75-p-126-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--22-160-100-100-p-145-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--25-180-100-100-p-163-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--25-240-75-75-p-163-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--28-200-100-100-p-181-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--31-300-75-75-p-181-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--33-240-100-100-p-217-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--37-360-75-75-p-235-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--42-300-100-100-p-272-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--50-360-100-100-p-326-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-i-normal--50-480-75-75-p-326-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-65-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--11-80-100-100-p-72-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-72-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--14-100-100-100-p-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--15-140-75-75-p-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--17-120-100-100-p-109-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--17-160-75-75-p-109-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--19-140-100-100-p-126-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--19-180-75-75-p-117-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--21-200-75-75-p-126-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--22-160-100-100-p-144-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--25-180-100-100-p-163-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--25-240-75-75-p-163-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--28-200-100-100-p-181-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--31-300-75-75-p-181-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--33-240-100-100-p-216-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--37-360-75-75-p-235-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--42-300-100-100-p-271-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--50-360-100-100-p-325-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-bold-r-normal--50-480-75-75-p-325-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--10-100-75-75-p-58-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--11-80-100-100-p-64-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--12-120-75-75-p-64-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--14-100-100-100-p-80-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--15-140-75-75-p-80-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--17-120-100-100-p-95-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--17-160-75-75-p-95-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--19-140-100-100-p-112-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--19-180-75-75-p-103-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--21-200-75-75-p-112-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--22-160-100-100-p-127-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--25-180-100-100-p-143-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--25-240-75-75-p-143-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--28-200-100-100-p-160-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--31-300-75-75-p-160-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--33-240-100-100-p-192-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--37-360-75-75-p-207-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--42-300-100-100-p-240-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--50-360-100-100-p-285-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-i-normal--50-480-75-75-p-285-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-58-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--11-80-100-100-p-64-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-64-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-p-80-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-p-80-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--17-120-100-100-p-94-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--17-160-75-75-p-94-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--19-140-100-100-p-112-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--19-180-75-75-p-102-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--21-200-75-75-p-112-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--22-160-100-100-p-127-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--25-180-100-100-p-143-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--25-240-75-75-p-143-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--28-200-100-100-p-160-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--31-300-75-75-p-160-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--33-240-100-100-p-192-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--37-360-75-75-p-207-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--42-300-100-100-p-239-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--50-360-100-100-p-287-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--50-480-75-75-p-287-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-50-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--11-80-100-100-m-60-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-60-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-70-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--17-120-100-100-m-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--17-160-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--19-140-100-100-m-100-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--19-180-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--21-200-75-75-m-100-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--22-160-100-100-m-120-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--25-180-100-100-m-130-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--25-240-75-75-m-130-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--28-200-100-100-m-150-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--31-300-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--33-240-100-100-m-170-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--37-360-75-75-m-190-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--42-300-100-100-m-220-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--50-360-100-100-m-260-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--50-480-75-75-m-260-iso8859-7
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-80-iso8859-7
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-80-iso8859-7
-misc-grfixeda-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-7

Andreas.

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Re: broken greek support?

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <jesmmc553b.fsf@sykes.suse.de>, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
>>>>   Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
>>>>   package in face-ignored-fonts?
>> 
>>>  This would be the best fix, IMHO.
>> 
>>  Ok, I'll do that.  Please give me the list of font names to
>>  be registered in face-ignored-fonts.

> These are all the broken fonts that are included in the package:

> -adobe-couriergr-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
[...]

Oops, that many!  We shuldn't make face-ignored-fonts that
big.  Now I think it's better to suggest not to use that
package in etc/PROBLEMS or etc/FAQ.

What do the other people think?

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

Re: broken greek support?

[Jason Rumney]

Kenichi Handa wrote:

> Oops, that many!  We shuldn't make face-ignored-fonts that
> big.  Now I think it's better to suggest not to use that
> package in etc/PROBLEMS or etc/FAQ.

I agree. If we add them to face-ignored-fonts, then if the package
gets fixed they still cannot be used (easily).

Re: broken greek support?

[Kevin Rodgers]

Kenichi Handa wrote:

> Oops, that many!  We shuldn't make face-ignored-fonts that
> big.  Now I think it's better to suggest not to use that
> package in etc/PROBLEMS or etc/FAQ.


But each element of face-ignored-fonts is a regexp, so it could be kept
relatively small.  There are only 15 foundry-family combinations in
Andreas' list.


-- 
Kevin Rodgers

Re: broken greek support?

[Kenichi Handa]

In article <3F7C702A.2040008@yahoo.com>, Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:

> Kenichi Handa wrote:
>>  Oops, that many!  We shuldn't make face-ignored-fonts that
>>  big.  Now I think it's better to suggest not to use that
>>  package in etc/PROBLEMS or etc/FAQ.

> But each element of face-ignored-fonts is a regexp, so it could be kept
> relatively small.  There are only 15 foundry-family combinations in
> Andreas' list.

Yes, but, if we make a list of regular expressions that
matches ONLY with those fonts, I think the list is still too
long.  And, if we make a more condensed list something like
below (though I think it's still too long):

"-adove-\\(coureer\\|helvetica\\)gr"
"-elot-fixed-.*-iso8859-7"
"-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-7"
"-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-80-iso8859-7"
"-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-7"
"-graphis-grarial"
"-greek"
"-grinet"
"-hrnet&hcr-grt"
"-misc-\\(gr\\)?fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-[68]0-iso8859-7"

They may match with wrong fonts (i.e. fonts that should not
be ignored).

One more thing I noticed is that at least
-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-7
has correct glyphs for Greek alphabets.  If people use that
font only for Greek alphabets, it seems that they get
correct displaying.

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

Re: broken greek support?

[Andreas Schwab]

Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:

> One more thing I noticed is that at least
> -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-7
> has correct glyphs for Greek alphabets.  If people use that
> font only for Greek alphabets, it seems that they get
> correct displaying.

That is actually the case with every font on my list.

Andreas.

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Re: broken greek support?

[Werner LEMBERG]

> > Don't use
> > -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7 either,
> > it's broken too.  Only the greek fonts that are part of the
> > intlfonts collection are working correctly.

Thanks a lot!  It never occurred to me that I have two ETL fonts for
Greek (as you can see, I'm using SuSE :-) Please follow Andreas's
advice and make Emacs ignore that font.


    Werner

Re: broken greek support?

[Richard Stallman]

    > With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7, many
    > characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6, etc.
    > What has happened here?

    The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken.  Don't use them.

Can anyone suggest a specific positive recommendation?

Re: broken greek support?

[Andreas Schwab]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     > With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7, many
>     > characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6, etc.
>     > What has happened here?
>
>     The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken.  Don't use them.
>
> Can anyone suggest a specific positive recommendation?

The ETL fonts from the intlfonts collection are ok.

Andreas.

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SuSE Linux AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, D-90429 Nürnberg
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Re: broken greek support?

[Richard Stallman]

    The ETL fonts from the intlfonts collection are ok.

Could someone write a fix for the documentation, or for etc/PROBLEMS,
or both, to present this recommendation to the users?