Emacs 23.1.1 Windoze doesn't locate/run site-lisp.el/default.el anymore (bug??)

Emacs 23.1.1 Windoze doesn't locate/run site-lisp.el/default.el anymore (bug??)

[Peter Milliken]

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Just loaded Emacs 23.1.1 for Windoze and now my site-lisp.el file nolonger
seems to run. I tried copying the contents into default.el (and placed it in
the same directory as my site-lisp.el) but it doesn't seem to run from there
either.
No much in it - just some code to turn off the annoying tool-bar when Emacs
comes up (why a tool-bar meant for people with a mouse fixation is included
as the default behaviour for an editor like Emacs is beyond me - let the
people who need mice set it up if that is what they want! Don't force the
rest of us to keep finding ways to turn it off!).

Just for the hell of it, I copied the default.el into c:/emacs/site-lisp -
and Emacs appears to run it from that location - which is NOT where I want
my personal customisations to reside!

Nothing else has changed i.e. my HOME directory prior to starting Emacs is
still pointing to where the site-start.el/default.el files are located.

I did a quick scan of NEWS and Changelog but can't find anything relevant
there (not that I wanted to spend anymore than 30 seconds looking).

Am I to assume this is an unexpected feature i.e. bug in this release?

Regards
Peter

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Re: Emacs 23.1.1 Windoze doesn't locate/run site-lisp.el/default.el anymore (bug??)

[Xah Lee]

On Aug 2, 3:50 pm, Peter Milliken <peter.milli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just loaded Emacs 23.1.1 for Windoze and now my site-lisp.el file nolonger
> seems to run. I tried copying the contents into default.el (and placed it in
> the same directory as my site-lisp.el) but it doesn't seem to run from there
> either.
> No much in it - just some code to turn off the annoying tool-bar when Emacs
> comes up (why a tool-bar meant for people with a mouse fixation is included
> as the default behaviour for an editor like Emacs is beyond me - let the
> people who need mice set it up if that is what they want! Don't force the
> rest of us to keep finding ways to turn it off!).
>
> Just for the hell of it, I copied the default.el into c:/emacs/site-lisp -
> and Emacs appears to run it from that location - which is NOT where I want
> my personal customisations to reside!
>
> Nothing else has changed i.e. my HOME directory prior to starting Emacs is
> still pointing to where the site-start.el/default.el files are located.
>
> I did a quick scan of NEWS and Changelog but can't find anything relevant
> there (not that I wanted to spend anymore than 30 seconds looking).
>
> Am I to assume this is an unexpected feature i.e. bug in this release?
>
> Regards
> Peter

Don't call it Windoze. if you don't like Microsoft Windows , don't use
it. If your company requires you use Microsoft products, then choose
to work for companies that don't.

I don't know what's your problem. Why are you mucking with emacs
setup? If you want emacs 23, do a fresh install, or compile. If you
need your setup to still fuction, your elisp code should be written in
a portable way, and you simply just copy them to your new emacs
install. Dont think you hot and mix and match components and libs and
complain. If you run into some elisp incompatibilties introduced in
emacs 23, you need to tell what are the errors, or which function
coughed.

amazing, Lin Dozers always tech geek and gets nowhere.

Cheers :)

  Xah
∑ http://xahlee.org/

☄

Re: Emacs 23.1.1 Windoze doesn't locate/run site-lisp.el/default.el anymore (bug??)

[Jason Rumney]

On Aug 3, 6:50 am, Peter Milliken <peter.milli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just loaded Emacs 23.1.1 for Windoze and now my site-lisp.el file nolonger
> seems to run.

> Just for the hell of it, I copied the default.el into c:/emacs/site-lisp -
> and Emacs appears to run it from that location - which is NOT where I want
> my personal customisations to reside!
>
> Nothing else has changed i.e. my HOME directory prior to starting Emacs is
> still pointing to where the site-start.el/default.el files are located.

Emacs has never automatically run site-lisp.el and default.el files
from the HOME directory,  unless your HOME directory happens to be
called site-lisp and is in the parent directory of your previous Emacs
installation, I don't see how this could have worked without
customizations in .emacs

Re: Emacs 23.1.1 Windoze doesn't locate/run site-lisp.el/default.el anymore (bug??)

[Peter Milliken]

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It was the pretest emacs (the very last one before the official release I
believe) - which is when I was first faced with the tool-bar sticking me in
the face. So I read up on how to get rid of it and was forced to put the
code in site-start.el - which I naturally put in the same directory as my
.emacs - not reading the manual carefully enough to realise it should not
find it there - but it did.
So I guess something changed since the last pretest and the official release
- because it was certainly working from ~! :-)

I may abandon using the Windows release of Emacs though as the road seems to
be for more and more Windows/mouse interaction being built in as "default".
It is annoying having to research how to turn the stuff off. I think I'll
have a closer look at the cygwin Emacs distrib.

Thanks anyway
Peter

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Jason Rumney <jasonrumney@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 3, 6:50 am, Peter Milliken <peter.milli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Just loaded Emacs 23.1.1 for Windoze and now my site-lisp.el file
> nolonger
> > seems to run.
>
> > Just for the hell of it, I copied the default.el into c:/emacs/site-lisp
> -
> > and Emacs appears to run it from that location - which is NOT where I
> want
> > my personal customisations to reside!
> >
> > Nothing else has changed i.e. my HOME directory prior to starting Emacs
> is
> > still pointing to where the site-start.el/default.el files are located.
>
> Emacs has never automatically run site-lisp.el and default.el files
> from the HOME directory,  unless your HOME directory happens to be
> called site-lisp and is in the parent directory of your previous Emacs
> installation, I don't see how this could have worked without
> customizations in .emacs
>

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Re: Emacs 23.1.1 Windoze doesn't locate/run site-lisp.el/default.el anymore (bug??)

[Lennart Borgman]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 AM, Peter Milliken<peter.milliken@gmail.com> wrote:

> I may abandon using the Windows release of Emacs though as the road seems to
> be for more and more Windows/mouse interaction being built in as "default".
> It is annoying having to research how to turn the stuff off. I think I'll
> have a closer look at the cygwin Emacs distrib.

If you want to help you can you please be more specific? What are the
parts that surprises or annoys you?

Re: Emacs 23.1.1 Windoze doesn't locate/run site-lisp.el/default.el anymore (bug??)

[B. T. Raven]

Peter Milliken wrote:
> It was the pretest emacs (the very last one before the official release 
> I believe) - which is when I was first faced with the tool-bar sticking 
> me in the face. So I read up on how to get rid of it and was forced to 
> put the code in site-start.el - which I naturally put in the same 
> directory as my .emacs - not reading the manual carefully enough to 
> realise it should not find it there - but it did.
> 
> So I guess something changed since the last pretest and the official 
> release - because it was certainly working from ~! :-)

I think it was on by default in all versions of 22 also.

> 
> I may abandon using the Windows release of Emacs though as the road 
> seems to be for more and more Windows/mouse interaction being built in 
> as "default". It is annoying having to research how to turn the stuff 
> off. I think I'll have a closer look at the cygwin Emacs distrib.
> 
> Thanks anyway
> Peter

The toolbar will probably be on by default there too. Also I think 
running Emacs through the cygwin dll will be a little slower than the 
native version. Generally it's probably easier for those who deprecate 
mouse usage to find out how to turn such things off than for mousers to 
figure out how to turn them on. If you don't want to rtfm then C-h v 
tool tab and C-h f tool tab would show that tool-bar-mode is both a 
variable and a function. Also Customize Emacs - Specific Option - 
tool-bar-mode - off - save for future sessions - would have written to 
.emacs and made the tool bar disappear for good.

> 
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Jason Rumney <jasonrumney@gmail.com 
> <mailto:jasonrumney@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On Aug 3, 6:50 am, Peter Milliken <peter.milli...@gmail.com
>     <mailto:peter.milli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>      > Just loaded Emacs 23.1.1 for Windoze and now my site-lisp.el file
>     nolonger
>      > seems to run.
> 
>      > Just for the hell of it, I copied the default.el into
>     c:/emacs/site-lisp -
>      > and Emacs appears to run it from that location - which is NOT
>     where I want
>      > my personal customisations to reside!
>      >
>      > Nothing else has changed i.e. my HOME directory prior to starting
>     Emacs is
>      > still pointing to where the site-start.el/default.el files are
>     located.
> 
>     Emacs has never automatically run site-lisp.el and default.el files
>     from the HOME directory,  unless your HOME directory happens to be
>     called site-lisp and is in the parent directory of your previous Emacs
>     installation, I don't see how this could have worked without
>     customizations in .emacs
> 
>