From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs can't be built without recent makeinfo Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <18449.25073.494568.381521@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <18450.1350.18815.221139@a1ihome1.kph.uni-mainz.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1209149348 23251 80.91.229.12 (25 Apr 2008 18:49:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nick Roberts , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ulrich Mueller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 25 20:49:43 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JpSzP-0004tE-2k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:49:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57745 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JpSyj-0006kF-0W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:49:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JpSyd-0006iu-5e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JpSyb-0006i9-Mz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33520 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JpSyb-0006ht-Gj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JpSyb-00011q-3v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JpSyW-0005Y4-Mg; Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:48 -0400 X-Spook: Honduras bootleg Bin Laden military Rubin radar Juiliett X-Ran: 7X(UkmmHc=v\:^g0==a3}BANN+=_YFN@?/POC<[jVO]IOXFgVf9V(A\m"&Nu?zHJZ&GPN3 X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95948 Archived-At: Ulrich Mueller wrote: >>> Do we really want to stop the build process completely just >>> because the online manuals can't be properly built? The "online manuals" are a vital part of Emacs, so yes... >> Indeed, no. Especially since they are supposed to be pre-built in >> the tarball. ...however in many cases they are pre-built. >> The test should/could be moved to the Makefile, maybe? > > Is this really an issue? texinfo 4.6 was released in 2003. I agree with you. Perhaps the issue is the need to have _any_ version of texinfo though. The info files are already only deleted by `make maintainer-clean', which "may require special tools to rebuild", so that's fine. We don't check for autoconf etc either. One problem I see is that the info files aren't in the CVS, so a fresh checkout could fail to build. And also any update to the .texi files will trigger a rebuild. So basically there are only problems with CVS builds. Perhaps a check early on in the Makefile will suffice, but it seems a bit flaky?