From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ehelp woes, or why I hate a module that I love so much Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 16:00:13 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20020704092157.4CB2.LEKTU@terra.es> <20020704135240.4CBB.LEKTU@terra.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1025791378 19733 127.0.0.1 (4 Jul 2002 14:02:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 14:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 17Q7CD-00058A-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 16:02:57 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17Q7IE-0001Tb-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 16:09:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17Q7CN-0006uw-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:03:07 -0400 Original-Received: from 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net ([217.13.230.178] helo=yxa.extundo.com) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 17Q79d-0006ma-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:00:17 -0400 Original-Received: from latte (yxa.extundo.com [217.13.230.178]) (authenticated bits=0) by yxa.extundo.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g64E0AwF027355; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:00:11 +0200 Original-To: Juanma Barranquero Mail-Copies-To: nobody X-Hashcash: 020704:lektu@terra.es:16987b1f3364a0da X-Hashcash: 020704:rms@gnu.org:a13781c513956261 X-Hashcash: 020704:emacs-devel@gnu.org:ca5c818d6d416a9c In-Reply-To: <20020704135240.4CBB.LEKTU@terra.es> (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Thu, 04 Jul 2002 14:08:38 +0200") Original-Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) XEmacs/21.4 (Honest Recruiter, i386-debian-linux) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:5456 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:5456 Juanma Barranquero writes: > On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 13:02:12 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > >> I think having Emacs support Guile would be very visible to users, as >> it likely would mean having threads which UI wise is probably the most >> important new feature added to Emacs since it started supporting >> windowing systems. > > OK, threads per se are good, but why should they be contingent on using > Guile? They are now, because the plan is switching to Guile someday and > it's absurd to duplicate efforts to discard them soon after. But perhaps > adding thread support to Emacs/elisp is easier than doing the conversion > from Emacs/elisp to Emacs/Guile. Who knows? Yes, you are right, but there seem to be several advantages of using guile (threads, i18n?, re-use between other applications, GTK bindings, etc) and I strongly doubt that implementing all those things in emacs is easier than switching to guile. > From my (admittedly not very informed) perspective, the Emacs/Guile > thing seems to be going nowhere (or, if it is going somewhere, it's > doing it very quietly and off side). I perceive the situation the same. What happened with the Guile Emacs project? It seems to have died after the 0.5 release.